Hill this week is House Oversight Committee chairman trey Gowdy grilled
deputy AG rot Rosenstein on the Russian investigation saying it's time to wrap
this thing up if you have evidence of wrongdoing by any member of the Trump
campaign campaign present it to the damn grand jury whatever you got finish it
the hell up because this country is being torn apart Oh
so does he have a point let's bring in Alan Dershowitz Harvard Law Professor
lifelong Democrat and author of the case against impeaching trum professor always
good to have you with us thank you look he speaks for a lot of Americans that
feel the exact same way at this point they're angry they're wondering what are
we still doing here what is your response well these kind of Special
Counsel investigators almost always take a long time that's one of the problems
with having a special counsel they start from scratch they don't have people on
board who are in the US Attorneys offices they have to organize right from
the beginning and the Clinton probe took a long time the iran-contra probe took a
long time so there's no surprise that this one's taking a long time what is
surprising is that Ron Rosenstein is still supervising it more and more
information is coming out about his conflict of interest we've now seen
stories in The New York Times about how he may have regretted writ writing
letter and he felt he was used writing the letter he is a central witness in
this entire obstruction of justice if it involves the firing of column E how did
he still stay on the case I wish they would focus much more on that because he
is with Hughes he is disqualified he ought to be replaced so professor Alexei
however slow the process down even more sir pardon me there but so what would be
the remedy do you think first of all because you know if the president fires
Rosenstein as has been speculated before he's going to get in more political hot
water to look like he's hiding something so how do you deal with the fact that
Rosen Stein is conflicted as you say there are many ways of doing it number
one you could bring a lawsuit challenging
has continued appearance as the person who's supervising the whole
investigation second you can bring an ethics charge you can file an ethics
charge with the bars to which he is a member saying he has no ethical right to
remain on the case but I just don't understand if somebody who's totally
Galactic's for over 25 years of Harvard Law School the first thing you learn is
you can't be both the prosecutor and a witness it can so much influence your
role as a prosecutor to know that if the case goes a certain way then you are
away so it goes another way maybe you're not a witness
you'll look terrible this way you'll look better the other way he has real
self-interest people talk about the president not hardening himself with the
president not marking people who were involved here you have the person who's
leading the investigation who has an obvious interest in the way in which the
investigation is going to go involving his own participation that just
shouldn't be the lab professor Gerson looks real quick um it looks like the
president's gonna get a new a new appointee to the Supreme Court and he's
running up against a lot of opposition what do you think he's gonna do well I
think there are two questions about right to life if he appoints somebody
who believes that Roe versus Wade is wrong but should be overruled because
it's been the law for a long time that's one thing second if he appoints somebody
you think she'd be a rule and left to the states that's the second thing but
he might even appoint somebody who believes there is a right to life a
constitutional right to life which would mean that the president the supreme
court would rule that no state could even permit abortion that New York and
California would have to abolish their laws permitting abortion if there is a
constitutional right to life then states wouldn't have the power to permit women
to have abortions and we have to know what the president's position is on that
is the anti role raid Roe versus Wade number one that is it's wrong but it
shouldn't be a rule number two it should be overrule or there is a right to life
which means that you can't have abortion in any states we have to know where the
president stands on that thing and whether his appointee represents any one
of those three because you know and all of this and professor by the way
I very rudely last week asked you about the Red Sox no longer being in first
place without giving you a chance sales this pitching will get rid of your sale
today that's right no time to give a react I don't want to be right there I'm
sorry unfair that's always love your mind the definitive book the illicit
scheme to clear Hillary Clinton and frame Donald Trump Fox News legal
analyst Greg Jarrett let's start with you from the legal standpoint I captured
a lot of inconsistencies and I know you did well one could say they were lies by
Rod Rosenstein for example he denied ever threatening members of the
Intelligence Committee and the staff in a January 10th meeting in which he
threatened to get his hands on their emails texts and phone records that's a
little scary in America I talked to two people who are in on that meeting they
used the word threatened and that he said he was threatening to obtain those
texts and emails and so forth so that did not appear to be terribly truthful
by him he will also wasn't truthful when he said I'm not withholding any evidence
of subpoenaed records well his own letters refusing to turn over the
documents or evidence that he's withholding and yet he said I'm not
withholding there wasn't a lot of truth in Rod Rosenstein today let me go get
your initial reaction Sarah Carter I think that when trey gowdy when
representative trey Gowdy questioned him and made a statement saying if you have
any evidence of this rod Rosenstein let's just get it out right now stop
dragging the American public this administration in our country through
the mud if you have evidence that anything happened with the Trump
administration with President Trump you know get it out there let us know what
it is but he never once has done that and if you look at the IG report shine
and you look at what happened today on Capitol Hill and how he evaded and
avoided questions and I tell you Greg is 100% right I've spoken to similar
sources who have been in those one person to that was personally the
victim of the temper tantrum absolutely a direct conversation that was related
to me so rod Rosenstein flat-out lied he lied
to Congress and he lied to the American people and we just got a call a spade a
spade call it what it is and if you look at the IG report I want to go back to
that really quick and we look at struck himself I was looking at it in more
detail in talking with some sources tonight and you know there's one point
where struck tries to explain the insurance policy question remember in
August that text message that he sent to Lisa Paige about having an insurance
policy and talking with Andy McCabe and he explains it away as saying well we
were talking about how aggressive we were going to be or how a work we were
going to be with this investigation and when I was talking to FBI sources about
this they said that is so telling because at that moment in time when he
let that out to Horowitz when he made that statement he was basically saying
we're gonna go after Trump even if it means going after the people around him
even if it means putting disinformation out there in the media even if it means
arresting people for crimes that were committed ten years ago or maybe they're
not even crimes but just giving that or around the president so the chaos here
really has been the FBI and the people on the seventh floor and the DOJ and not
even so much the Russians anymore I mean the real chaos in our country is coming
from them you know Rosen's he said I'm not trying to hide
anything you know uh let me I just made a short list and I wrote it down before
the show okay we'll stop Trump they hid that from everybody for a period of time
war he withheld the fact that struck was a personal friend of Judge Rudolph
Contreras which you mentioned on this program last night they refused to
initially remember he begged up to the last minute Paul Ryan not to release
what became the new Nest memo which told us about FISA abuse the DOJ tried to
hide from Congress the fact that two of the most important investigators on both
the hillary and russia probes with vehemently antitrump ii didn't want that
out either and remember December 2017 five months after struck and Paige was
shoved out the door it was the Inspector General that released the struck
that's four page text and that's what he is shortlist Frank and what did Rosen
Stein say of the behavior of Peter structure day he called it inappropriate
which has to be the most lawful understatement of all time especially
when you consider the IG said that this is a man who had a willingness to abuse
his position of power to influence an election and but to rod Rosenstein oh it
you know it's just inappropriate things that stand out we both we all three of
us have talked to at least one person I've talked to one you talked to - Sarah
how many sources do you have about his temper and that he made the threat that
he denied today I have at least four sources okay well you're working harder
than both Greg and I use himself then structs actions as you just pointed
highly inappropriate no that would be rigging an investigation to influence a
presidential election and as your book says the scheme to clear Hillary and
frame Trump that's what happened Rosen Stein said today if it's appropriate
I'll recuse myself it was appropriate long time ago I'm ago
he is a witness investigator prosecutor judge and jury all rolled in the one
that again he is the witness key witness investigator he's supervising the
prosecution which makes him a prosecutor and he's also the judge and jury because
he decides whether any charges would be brought
why is he why is he like mad at me by name and not you and Sarah I'm taken
they tried to undermine it to favor one candidate and screw the other candidate
that's why this matters and why the rest of the suit ignore this story I don't
know Shawn it matters because they they weaponized they weaponized
our tools of law enforcement the the NSA the CIA the FBI and everything else I
mean this is such an enormous investigation we haven't even talked
about the unmasking yet so they recognize the tools I know and the
weapon we need to get back to that we need to have
answers if the United States is going to move forward if we're going to clean up
our system our FBI and our intelligence agencies we need to know what happened
and the truth needs to come out and the people that abused it need to be removed
one of the most striking moments occurred today when he was asked about
Muller's not one but two glaring conflicts of interests that are
disqualifying Rosenstein so I I don't know of any conflict of interest with
mr. Muller he apparently doesn't read newspapers because dozens and dozens of
law professors and lawyers have written a myriad of columns explaining the
disqualifying conflicts of interest of robert muller but Rosenstein is either a
modern-day Machiavelli or he is the most oblivious person to ever hold such a
high facility said to me today the and I really believed them when they said hey
you're trying to do this because you're undermining Muller then you're missing
the whole story but the more important thing that they said here is is they
don't get it that they really believe that these guys and I'll brothers this
era that they actually think that they were better smarter and that they think
they're the super patriots and that we the people are stupid and that they knew
better which is why they had to save Hillary and had to undermine Trump but
now they're calm they undermined they undermine the American people they
undermine the system that our nation is founded on China and just look at the
most disparaging comments that struck and Page said about people that shop at
Walmart the American people in Pennsylvania smell them there's nothing
more disgusting well no there's nothing more than disgusting than thinking that
you know everything in thinking that you know everything and that's the reason
why President Trump won let's be honest people were sick and tired sick and
tired of being told they weren't smart enough they're not good enough they
don't know what to do and you know what the American people said you know what
we are smart enough we are good enough and we don't really care what you have
to say because we live in this country we're gonna vote for who we want to vote
for and if Trump hadn't of won if Trump would not have won this election think
about what the alternative would be we would never know what happened
Fox com please mark that that Sarah monologue you get the last word
people like Rosenstein and Comey and struck and Lisa page and mccabe and the
whole gang are a symbol of corruption and and how absolute power corrupts
absolutely we haven't been wrong on one thing have
we not yet not yet it's scary and the media has ignored it frankly you guys
deserve Pulitzer Prizes amazing I can't review books our great job as always
when we come back don't touch that
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