This isCouples Court With The Cutlers.
This is the case of John Vs. Willette.
Uh, you all have been together for five years
and engaged for four years
JUDGE KEITH: Uh, Ms. John...
Yeah.
...why have you brought your fiance to court today?
I brought him here today because I feel that he's cheating on me.
Uh, he's extra friendly with people in the neighborhood.
Mr. Cutler is extra friendly with our neighbor,
so what does that mean?
(LAUGHING)
Do I need to be worried?
Do I need to be eyeballing or something?
Tell me what that means.
He just goes out of his way to help them do stuff
to their yard, if they're working on their car,
he goes out of his way to help them do that.
Just goes out of his way to help them.
JUDGE DANA: Okay.
And you believe it's beyond just friendly?
JOHN: Yeah, I do. That's what she's thinking. She's thinking that.
You know, I feel like it's all a cover up for what she's doing.
Yeah, well, but it ain't about me.
Well, Mr. Willette, in terms of what you're doing,
are you a friendly person?
Of course, I'm always friendly.
JUDGE KEITH: Do you go out of your way to help your neighbors?
Of course I do, every day.
I try to make everybody happy.
Especially her.
(AUDIENCE CLAPPING)
JUDGE KEITH: All right.
JUDGE DANA: He's Mr. Rodgers.
JUDGE KEITH: That's probably--
Are you cheating?
She can accuse me all day
but I'm not cheating.
That's what I want to tell her but she don't believe me.
There's too much sneaky stuff going on. I'm too faithful...
If I wanted to cheat on somebody, I would be single.
There'd be no reason for me to even be in a relationship.
So, you believe she's doing this to deflect
about what she maybe doing.
It's a guilty conscious, that's what I'm thinking.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
Okay, well, I mean,
because he's a friendly person,
there must be one of the things
that attracted you to him.
Yeah, it was one of the things but the extra stuff,
and like, he won't ever leave his cellphone alone. WILLETTE: What extra stuff?
He takes it in the shower with him, he sleeps with it next to his head,
If I have to look at it, he takes it
and gives it to me 15 minutes later. My phone is always...
So I never get to touch it. ...in the pocket.
Okay, so, you all have been together for five years,
you've been engaged for four years,
what was the first sign that something went wrong?
Um, it was probably about three months ago, he started working
and he'll tell me he's working an over night shift,
it's just him and a guy working,
when I pick him up in the morning, it's him and a female working.
His excuse is that the schedule changed but it's always something.
But I'm always working.
JUDGE KEITH: Okay, so--
What can I do at work?
The nights that there's a female coworker, I'll text him,
I don't get a text back.
It's just that if it's a male coworker, he'll text right back all night, back and forth,
if it's a female, I barely get texted all night while he's working.
It's a something in your gut that's telling you--
Yeah.
Making you say, "Hm."
Are you not responsive when you have a female coworker?
I'm responsive when I get a chance to.
I'm working.
I can't just pick up the phone whenever--
What if I have a customer and she texted me at that time but I'm helping out
two, three different customers. Which is a little convenient
that when it's a girl, he can't text me back.
JUDGE KEITH: Well, here's the thing, Mr. Willette.
I'm gonna let you in on this secret, okay?
(ALL LAUGHING)
Women detect patterns.
Ah, he's speaking truth.
They detect them very quickly.
And the pattern is, when there's a female coworker, you aren't texting back
as frequently as when there's a male coworker.
You probably don't even know it.
Women pick up on that, I'm telling you. Probably.
If you don't get anything else from today,
get that women pick up on patterns.
(LAUGHING) (AUDIENCE CLAPPING)
So...
So, Mr. Cutler, you paid attention.
I'm paying attention.
I'm on it to switch it up
because you didn't learn--
I figured it out now, yeah.
Ah!
Okay, Ms. John, we've got the failing to text,
you got him as "Mr. Friendlier the neighborhood",
Mm-hm.
What else do you have? WILLETTE: And do you got proof?
There will be money missing out of our joint bank account,
just like $5 or $10 here, there
and when I ask him where it went, he'll say he bought cigarettes
or something to that nature.
But he just bought cigarettes like an hour before that. I'm a smoker.
Where do you think he's taking a woman for $5 or $10?
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
WILLETTE: I don't know...
On the regular, on the regular,
not just here and there.
I don't think necessarily he's taking 'em out,
maybe like them borrow money,
or you know, grab an ... drink or something,
that's our money, we work hard for it.
So it shouldn't be spent on no other female.
Period. It don't matter how much it is.
All right, so, Mr. Willette, you think all of this is just her deflecting.
Exactly what it is. I have this gut feeling that just--
Something in my gut is telling me its a guilty conscience.
That's the reason why she's trying to accuse me for something
so she can cover up what she's trying to cover up with.
So what do you think she's deflecting?
I-- I don't know. (STAMMERING)
I'm thinking, you know, she's kinda extra close with my roommate, like...
and--
AUDIENCE: Ooh.
Extra close. They be gone for hours at a time, like, literally, hours at a time.
Going to the store to get milk, they'd be gone for two hours.
One day, they went out to get milk, two hours goes by,
three hours go by, four hours, 11 hours later they come back.
They had to go to Jacksonville to go feed their mom's cat.
(LAUGHING)
Okay, wait! WILLETTE: 11 hours it takes.
So you think she's cheating with your roommate?
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
WILLETTE: I have a gut feeling.
JUDGE DANA: So, Cutler, we have her side,
we have his side, now we need the roommate's side.
JUDGE KEITH: Okay, all right.
That roommate is here.
Ron, would you escort her into the court room?
RON: Yes, your honor.
Right over here.
JUDGE DANA: Would you please state your name for the court?
Stacy Herrera.
All right, Ms. Herrera, now, how do you know Ms. John?
Uh, my roommate.
All right, and you're also roommates with Mr. Willette.
Yes.
How long have you all been living together?
For between four to five months.
All right, so, what do you know about
Ms. John's and Mr. Willette's relationship?
Do you believe he's cheating?
Uh, there's points I do.
JUDGE KEITH: Okay, why do you believe that?
He's out, he'll go somewhere and say he's going one place
and then we'll run into him and he's like, "Oh, well,
"I'm just coming back from getting this", and he's empty handed.
So that makes you think that he is cheating?
Yeah, I mean, its secretive and its just something that shouldn't be like,
"Oh, well, his friends says this and he says something else."
It just don't make no sense
to me at all. It makes no sense to me.
Mr. Willette, did this occur that you were going for a friend
and didn't come back with the items?
No, no. It didn't even go down like that.
But they could be covering up for wherever you're really going.
They don't really-- That's what you guys are covering up something
for which y'all are doing, trying to blame me.
trying to blame me.
She's obviously doing something with her.
They're always together.
For hours at a time they're gone.
What do I know? They're texting each other in the same room.
So you believe these two are sexually involved?
Yes, your honor.
Wait, you believe that your...
I actually found--
fiance and your roommate
are involved with each other?
It's so rare, right?
Yes.
JUDGE KEITH: Why do you believe that?
I-- I've found a pair
of her panties on my bedroom floor.
What are they doing on my bedroom floor?
She don't--
We live together, we do our laundry together.
But you don't-- Our laundries are separate.
Okay, wait, who's panties?
Ms. Herrera's.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
What are they doing in my room? On my bedroom floor?
If they got mixed up in the laundry,
why are they on the floor and not in the laundry?
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
Okay, so, did he find a pair of your panties in the bedroom?
HERRERA: He did.
Okay, can you explain to me why your panties are in his room?
WILLETTE: Why? Is it-- Why?
She does laundry, sometimes it'll get mixed up in the washer, in the dryer.
I mean, there's total of three of us living there along with my two kids.
It's an easy mix up.
The laundry gets put everywhere.
Ms. Herrera, what is the nature of yours relationship?
We're friends.
Are you more than friends?
No.
So, basically, Ms. John and Mr. Willette, this is a relationship
completely devoid of trust. Is that a safe statement?
Yes.
At this moment.
JUDGE DANA: Five year relationship and no trust.
Four years of engagement and no trust.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
JUDGE KEITH: All right,
because we've had these allegations,
the court has ordered a forensic analysis on both of your cellphones
and we have the results.
(AUDIENCE CLAPPING)
At this time, the court will call cyber security expert,
Mr. Gregory Evans.
Ron, would you please escort Mr. Evans into the court room?
RON: Yes, your honor.
How are you, Mr. Evans? I'm doing great. Yourselves?
Good to see you again.
Good to see you.
Now, Mr. Evans, she believes that he...
Yes.
...you know, erases information from his phone.
Right.
And so, with a forensic examination, you can recover deleted information, correct?
I can recover deleted text messages, e-mails,
uh, pictures, videos, anything that's stored on a person's phone
can be recovered.
So you were given both the plaintiff and the defendant's phone
for analysis, correct?
Yes, your honor. All right, what did you find?
Well, I got to put my glasses on for this one.
(ALL LAUGHING)
For hours at a time, they're gone.
All right, well, let's start with the first one what I found.
It's this message here from Ms. John.
JUDGE KEITH: Okay, it says,
"I just want to be able to make you happy as your girlfriend,
your wife, your best friend and especially make you happy
and satisfy you in the bedroom."
You're telling him I want to be the best woman to you that I can be.
Yes.
How does that make you feel?
Great. It's-- That's what I need, that's what I want.
That's what I got into this relationship for.
To, you know what I'm saying? Make 100% of us together.
JUDGE KEITH: And when you got these text messages--
You know-- I'm sorry?
When you got these text messages, you smiled?
Of course, I did.
(AUDIENCE AWING)
Did you find anything else, Mr. Evans?
Oh yeah!
I mean, yes, your honor, I'm sorry. (ALL LAUGHING)
This one is of Mr. Willette.
I don't know if he has aspirations of being a model,
or get a sock contract.
Well, do tell.
Mm.
Let me explain this to the court.
Uh, Mr. Willette, I'm seeing more of you than I ever wanted.
(ALL LAUGHING)
Um, and, you seem to be...
JUDGE KEITH: Hanging in a reclining position
uh, with no clothes on except for a sock.
JUDGE DANA: In a--
But the sock is not on your foot.
(ALL LAUGHING)
Okay... So, you understand what it looks like.
Oh, I know that picture.
She took it.
All right, and--
Who was this photo for?
Well, she actually took it.
JUDGE DANA: Well, this was for you.
Adult play.
Supposedly for me.
JUDGE DANA: All right.
Can you tell whether this was sent to any other women?
I did check for that. I did not see it was sent to any other women
except for her.
All right, did you find any evidence
that suggest either party might be cheating?
Okay, now, this is what I do have for you here, your honor.
So this is a text message from Ms. John
to Mr. Willette.
Correct.
At 2:19 AM
and it says, "I am your wife and I want you home.
"Where the blank are you now?"
So, did he respond to this text message?
He did not respond to her but at the exact same time,
he did respond to this young lady here.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
JUDGE DANA: So, at the exact same time,
she's asking, "Where are you? I want you home."
He's texting another woman. EVANS: That's correct.
EVANS: That is correct. JUDGE DANA: All right.
JUDGE DANA: And so he says,
JUDGE KEITH: "Dang, so we can chill tonight? Me and you?
"Yes or no?"
JUDGE DANA: And she responds, "Where's Tina?"
Which is Ms. John.
JUDGE KEITH: That, "At housee, I'm on your steps", is his response.
JUDGE DANA: "Oh, you can chill for a minute, then I got to go."
JUDGE KEITH: And he responds, "You and me alone, laugh out loud"
Okay, were you at someone else's house at 2:19 in the morning?
Yeah, yeah, I was.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
JUDGE KEITH: Okay, another woman's house?
Yes.
Okay, what were you doing at another woman's house at 2:19 AM?
Well, she had to owe me some money, so I was trying to--
JOHN: So you're trying to hang out
at 2 o'clock in the morning?
Yeah, trying--
JOHN: You were trying to hang out at 2 o'clock in the morning?
Could've went to your home boy's house, you didn't have to go to a female house.
Go sit outside, go to a different room.
Okay, "Dangs, so, we can chill tonight, me and you."
That doesn't sound like any bill collector I've ever--
(ALL LAUGHING)
I know it sounds crazy, but...
JUDGE DANA: Okay, so Mr. Willette, here's what I'm observing.
All up until now, you've been smooth.
Now that we asking you the hard questions,
you fumbling all over yourself.
So I'm gonna give you one more chance.
Were you with another woman?
Sexually? No.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) JUDGE DANA: Okay, so how are you feeling
about what he's telling you? Are you buying any of this?
No.
Not at all. It's surprising, hurt, kind of a numb feeling.
After all that we've discussed today, what do you want to say to your boyfriend?
Or your fiance?
That, I want to start--
I want him to start being more honest
and I want to work things out and,
you know, do whatever we have to do to move forward
in our relationship.
It's gonna be hard.
JUDGE DANA: What do you need him to do?
I need him to come clean and let me know everything that he's done.
JUDGE DANA: Well, I have a question for you.
He's accused you of being in a sexual relationship with your roommate.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
He's accused you of being in a sexual relationship with your roommate.
Have you been in a sexual relationship with Ms. Herrera?
Her and I have messed around, yeah.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) But it hasn't been a relationship.
That proves everything right there. That's crazy.
JUDGE KEITH: So, you and Ms. Herrera, your roommate,
have been sexually involved.
HERRERA AND JOHN: Yes.
How did that happen?
Obviously, I was going through stuff with him and the lies
and we just kinda relied on each other and it--
That makes it okay then?
Having drinks one night, it kinda--
Led to another.
Led one thing to another.
Was this a one time sexual contact?
Or have you been together more than once?
It's been more than once, but--
That's even worse.
How often have you had contact?
I say less than five.
I was going to say two.
Less than five, yeah.
When was the last time you all were together?
A month ago?
Um, yeah, it's been about a month.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
WILLETTE: I worked so damn hard for this.
That makes no sense.
What did I do all this for? For what?
But you suspected that, didn't you?
Yeah, I had that gut feeling. My gut feeling's always right.
And now your gut feeling has been confirmed.
Confirmed.
All right, so now that you have this information,
yes, this is a hard question, but what are you going to do?
Are you going to stay engaged to your fiance, you've always been together
for five years.
I don't even know what to say.
I have to sit down and think about this one. This is--
You don't know if you want to go forward,
you're saying you want to go forward and try to work through this.
Yes.
This court provides resources for couples
and counseling for couples
to move forward together or apart.
That's a decision you all will have to make.
As we say in this court, "Please do not cheat yourself out of a chance
"for a good relationship."
WILLETTE: Right.
Court is adjourned.
(AUDIENCE CLAPPING)
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