sorry I love that montage let's discuss this in tonight's angle with the
chairman of the American Conservative Union Matt slap Matt I'm not laughing
through your name I'm sorry I'm gonna love the last we're not gonna be stupid
anymore radio host former aide to Senator Chuck
Schumer Chris Hahn another favorite of mine great to see both of you all right
great let's take it away Chris on this the president obviously taking a strong
stand on the immigration issue tonight the Democrats I think know they have
some vulnerability here on the ms-13 issue the unaccompanied minor issue as I
pointed out in the angle Obama was sending back people even The Huffington
Post with this great headline from The Huffington Post this is from March of
last year the hard truths about Obama's deportation priorities from 2009 to 2015
56% of all immigrants removed from the country had no criminal convictions
preliminary data from 2016 when Obama was still in office suggest that this
trend of deporting non criminals continued goes on and on and obviously
had to deal with the unaccompanied minors that he claimed was we're gonna
be sent back and only 3.4 percent of them were ever deported I don't think it
was great on immigration I've said that before I'll say it again I think that he
probably could have worked with Congress to have comprehensive immigration reform
in his first term and he didn't and and that's a failure of President Obama but
that doesn't excuse what's going on right now now I understand that the
story about people being children being lost is a little bit overblown they
can't get in touched I get that part but there is still this bit where Jeff
sessions is separating children from their family families when those
families are coming here through regular ports of entry seeking asylum and that I
have a problem with and I think most Americans who have any compassion would
have a problem with that so do you think that criminals should be separated from
their families because they are every minute I guess they know that I think
that yeah but to criminalize people seeking asylum is where I draw the line
here okay seekers may we have a dude I want you Matt to chime in and we have
a duty to take care of children at a different way than we take care of
adults I mean that's from the Flores decision the judges and so forth putting
that burden on the American government that's fine that's what we do but part
of that is separating children from people who are trying to game the system
sessions was very clear on this otherwise we're just going to have a
massive flood of family units we don't even know if they're actual families
half the time family units crossing the border Matt yeah this is what happened
Obama did not follow the law when an adult crosses our border illegally he or
she is breaking the law the Attorney General has no choice but to follow the
law and what Chris and other Democrats are saying is that as we take the adult
and put them into custody which means they go to jail that somehow the kids
should go to jail too that would be insane and inhumane and as a country
thing we simply do not do that when Kamala Harris and these other folks who
have also had the job of Attorney General in their states it would be it
would be the same thing as saying that she has been separating parents from
their children in California when parents commit crimes anybody who's had
this like that for that position it'd be the same thing you're labored no I'm not
it's the same it's a crime as you are when you commit a crime you go to a
holding facility it's the way it is Matt Chris Matt the difference here is that
the Trump administration has decided to treat Asylum applicants as criminals and
that is what I have a problem with getting constant consequence no no we're
your regular ports of entry who generous importa guard sessions has said he will
treat as criminals hold on Matt it's not just it's not just people applying for
asylum we're all thinking about the cylon because the great care of man that
showed up in San Diego it's all people remember Obama and jeh Johnson said in
those clips that I think nobody remembers I play him all the time on my
radio show they both said don't bring our children here we can't we can't
process this and you're gonna have to go home both of them said that neither of
them follow through and all but 3.4 percent of the people who crossed our
border ill not playing for asylum crossed our
border illegally for all those years three point four percent were deported
now this is a what President Obama was doing by those statements was trying to
discourage mass immigration children to the country which is what's a baby out
of his mother's farm and worried about ripping babies away from mothers alright
let's let's talk about the illegal immigrant wife who was interviewed on
CNN today about whether she was upset about her husband being deported let's
watch I am not upset at our government due to the fact that I am a US citizen
and that our laws come first our laws are just broken and need to be fixed but
I can't be mad at Trump for doing his job Chris how many women did you have to
act how many immigrant women did you have to interview to get that clip
I got enough truth over there at CNN no one's watching but occasionally they
actually find someone had some common sense to put on there and her point her
point is that Obama her point is that Donald Trump is actually following the
law if you're here illegally as Jay Johnson said you don't have permiso
he said we're not gonna give you a sir miss jaan you're not gonna get it
because you're thought you're violating our laws Chris guard I get that I you
know look again I believe in law and order I believe in proper immigration we
have all failed in creating a system where we have an immigration that
addresses the markets that are driving people this country every single day all
right we gotta get electively to come to a solution all right well I agree with
you on that thank you both fantastic segment let's
get the perspective of Senator Mike Lee of Utah whose new book out in paperback
just today is already a huge New York Times bestseller it's on my facebook and
website written out of history that forgotten founders who fought big
government welcome senator as always it's great to see you I think our
founders would shocked to see what's happened to this
country obviously a whole different situation in our country's founding but
you heard this debate we just had you heard the statistics President Obama
said these people are gonna have to go home then they all get to stay there
relocated to sponsor senator and then we're trying to we're trying to check it
on them the sponsors a lot of them are going on you know off the grid because
they don't want to be deported they don't want the kids to be deported so
it's all it's a perverse system we've set up that's exactly what's bringing
these people here that's exactly why these children are being separated from
their parents because we had a government that refused to enforce the
law and a government that said we will deport you and then didn't when that
happens you end up being a magnet for illegal immigration that subjects all
kinds of children to exploitation to abuse to sexual assault in many cases
but make no mistake that is the cause approximately 90% of all removal orders
that means deportation orders each year result from a failure of for people to
show up at their hearings so they're there their order removed because they
don't show up for their actual immigration hearings that's 90% of the
unaccompanied minors are not showing up at hearings so they come here they know
they're gonna be able to stay here what is the Senate and the house cooking up I
keep hearing about the administration's gonna come out and agree to an amnesty
with an end to chain migration kind of sounds like good lad but it's not quite
the gut Bob Goodlatte bulb bill what's going on there I would love to see it be
there Bob Goodlatte bill I think Bob Goodlatte has done a remarkable job of
balancing various competing interests I hope they're not coming up with
something like what they cooked up in 2013 remember how they told us they were
coming up with a deal he was rumored for many months years in fact that they were
working on it and they finally released it and it was about a thousand pages
worth of something that nobody had read people voted for it anyway and then they
switched it when it when it got to a final vote and replaced it with a
different 1,200 page bill I fear here they might be doing the same thing and I
think they should remember the consequence of that freedom caucus
doesn't want it they've already come out and said your day Bradley these guys we
don't want we don't want an amnesty but can you get something positive if me if
you could end this chain migration that is a huge amplifier of of immigration in
the country non merit-based that would be a big that's that's a
bigger driver of the growth and immigration is it not than even illegal
immigration absolutely absolutely and that's one of the things I like about
the Goodlatte proposal is that it addresses that it addresses the daca
situation it does so in a responsible manner that shuts off the magnet I want
to ask you about this other news over the last few days that when is spying
spying your colleague Marco Rubio said something I think interesting on ABC's
this week I'd like your reaction let's watch it appears that there was an
investigation not of the campaign but of certain individuals who have a history
that we should be suspicious of that predate the presidential campaign of
2015 2016 the FBI who is in charged of counterintelligence investigations
should look at people like that but they're not investigated in the campaign
they're investigating those people so you see President Trump was wrong I have
seen no evidence that there that those people were a part of an investigation
on the campaign your reaction his final statement might be true as far as it
goes he may have seen no evidence of any spying on the Trump campaign it doesn't
mean it didn't happen and I think it's very difficult to prove
that a dog didn't bark I don't think he's saying the dog didn't bark what
he's saying he hasn't it seems like Rubio you got to play a sound bite later
on from trey Gowdy there are a lot of Republicans who seem to be working
overtime a lot of them didn't support the president working overtime to you
know build up Bob Muller the Bob Muller team and I think that from the very
beginning there have been a lot of people who have been very surprised
about that senator it's great to see it was always Congrats on the book great
great read as always and Andy McCarthy is here next to tell us why there is now
no doubt that Team Obama spied on the Trump campaign and more from the FBI
agents who want to testify about how politics is destroying the bureau that's
next
in today's national review Andy McCarthy says there's absolutely no question that
the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign but the New York Times is
trying to deflect from that news tonight with new information leaked from the DOJ
suggesting that the president wanted Jeff Sessions to Unruh cues himself from
the Russia probe and take control of it joining us now for reaction former
federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy along with attorney and Democratic strategist
Scott Bolden all right Andy a lot to get to here there are a lot of people coming
out Rubio and now others and trey Gowdy saying mm this whole thing about spying
is kind of ridiculous let's watch I am even more convinced that the FBI did
exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the
information they got and that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump I think
when the president finds out what happened he's going to be not just fine
he's going to be glad that we have an FBI that took seriously what they heard
he was never the target Russia to me I got lots of text on my phone tonight
going what's wrong with trey gowdy by the way
huffing he's perfect by the way trey gowdy we want you to come on the show
and he's never been on this show we want him to come on maybe now I know why he's
not coming on what what's your sensor well look there's no question that they
spied on the campaign he says Rubio I mean a lot of people are saying that
just never Andy Napolitano Judge Napolitano on Fox tonight know what
they're saying was what they think what the FBI did was appropriate so what
they're saying is they had these guys who they had concerns about who had some
Russia baggage and it was appropriate for the FBI to check that out I don't
think anyone in his right mind would disagree with that the question is how
you go about doing that well he's saying they're saying it was Russia that they
were looking at Russia and Russia trying to meddle with our system didn't matter
whether it was you know it would a Democrat that would have done the same
thing no it happened to be Trump had this Carter page on his list and that's
what Laura if you were looking at a corporation and you thought that the
corporation was being corrupted by three people you would go to the CEO and say I
think we have a problem he we need your cooperation what they did
instead was send covert operatives to pry information out now it may well be
that President Trump himself would then Donald Trump was not person why didn't
they do the defensive briefing Scott Bolden why didn't the Obama
administration having this deep concern that they had about Russia why didn't
they go to you know the head of the campaign or why didn't I go to the bend
it was Paul Manafort it's not gonna go to him but why didn't I go to president
Trump if I'm doing a candidate investigations for company I'll use your
example I'm not starting at the top I'm starting at the source and what they did
with this informant was went and talked and did outreach to two or three leaders
in the campaign to test not whether Trump was colluding with Russia but
whether Russia was doing outreach to the Trump campaign how deep they may have
gotten in there and what would you want the FBI to do unless you put a political
overlay on it they're doing their job the target was Russia they were trying
to protect Americans and now the GOP would criticize this institution as if
it's in some type of deep state even in 2017 and cool with this if it was the
Obama campaign I would have been cool with it the FBI are you ma cracy and
doing their job be up dare us the FBI goes the FBI goes the bush 2008 Justice
Department and FBI send informants into the into the Obama 2008 campaign Obama
no no go into the campaign you're fine with that maybe it is the least
intrusive means that they could pursue if they were going to go into a campaign
but see you all put a political overlay on it you say this is politics but
that's okay and you wrote this in your piece today and you talked about how
it's an odd thing and it was a great point it's an odd thing given the fact
that Obama wanted to have more flexibility with Dmitry Medvedev
that Clinton got the 500k speech in Moscow that the Podesta group pals of
the Clintons represented spheres Bank which is that Putin's favorite Bank like
all this stuff happened got uranium won all this stuff happened but now they're
gonna they're worried that Trump is gonna have be too close to Russia that
kind of is that's just an odd thing I hadn't
thought of it in that way before I read your piece we're up until 11 o'clock on
November 8th Carter page was a conventional Democrat
I personally find his beliefs about Russia to be ridiculous too offensive
but his belief is appeasing Putin is the best way to better well wait just like
we have a relationship with Communist China that has like 17 times the economy
of Russia we should have a relationship with Russia that's what I know but I
think you me whatever you want to say even to be and the Clintons can be
whatever you want them to say them to be but what does that have to do with
putting an informant in place to investigate Russia this isn't about the
Clintons this is about by October of 2016 we knew that there were substantial
contacts between the Trump bytes or people in the Trump campaign and the in
Russia way too much for a political campaign
we know that the former CIA director said his mother there's just as many
contacts with the Clinton campaign Hillary Clinton all of her friends yeah
Eddie made during that campaign though substantial cock Obama's committee and
foreign investment if you talk we're gonna be completely anyway we gotta get
to the FBI informant issue but what's the deal tonight Andy with the New York
Times story comes out I think as this Russia collusion thing is collapsing the
informant thing people just don't like the feel of that but on the on the issue
of Trump wanting sessions to Unruh cues himself that doesn't surprise me at all
I don't find that surprising that he if he told his White House Counsel this
ridiculous he told when he talked to a kiss lyac for five minutes in his office
why the heck is Reid accusing him we didn't have any to do with Russia and he
may be told McGann this if this story is true McGann talked to sessions people
and it didn't go anywhere but this was leaked tonight another leak out of the
DOJ your reaction you're turning the page but you know look at the time this
happened I thought that sessions recusal was
too broad and an overreaction because it didn't comply with the regulations of
the Justice Department which are the same ones that that sort of apply to
Muller as well and you know I know everybody wants to look at this as an
investigation president Trump has to look at this as this affects my ability
to govern that's why this special counsel is such a terrible institution
and it's been a terrible institution to every president of either party that
it's ever been I think there's a lot to do I mean and everyone's Russia is a
boogeyman I think every time someone says Russia I say China China is a much
bigger threat to the United States I think there are times where we could
triangulate China with Russia and now we're not doing that I think we're not
doing a lot of things that we could do to put more pressure on China to help be
it more helpful to us I want to ask you about the FBI thing we've got to get to
this issue yeah FBI agents Daily Caller report today that they're afraid that
they're not going to get whistleblower protection inside the DOJ inside the FBI
itself are you concerned about that apparently many of them are worried
about the politicization of the FBI I don't know but they're driving but
Donald Trump and his people are driving that narrative that conservative comment
they're witnessing and they're on the inside that's what they thought about
Trump they're there they're experiencing it well they certainly will have with
whistleblower protection and if they don't they ought to higher up and get
lured up like everybody else in Washington to do that they should not be
concerned about that and if listen if the Congress wants to hear from them
they can simply invite them or or issue a subpoena for them and they'll be heard
all right guys fantastic as always both of you and by the way ABC is showing
zero tolerance after Roseanne crosses the line I'll be the King Howie Kurtz
join us to discuss whether this is the best way to deal with racially tinged
remarks by a celebrity
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