I fucked up so I'll be completely honest with you while recording our last
podcast on Syria I forgot to hit record on our video conferencing software so I
only have an audio file for you that's why for this show I'm going to have a
gallery of cute animals as we play the audio file so I hope you guys enjoy
topic is about the rebels that surrendered right after the u.s.
announced its withdrawal and we go over the pros and cons of the u.s.
withdrawing and who the rebels are so if you don't know that much about Syria
then I encourage you to listen to it because it's a great show peace I guess
I guess really I mentioned I told you I wanted to talk about the Mueller
investigation however I don't really have the energy to talk about the
Mueller investigation right now or Russia gate unless you wanted to add
anything to it no collusion no collusion but I guess the first thing I wanted to
talk about was just just quickly the we spoke about Syria in our last episode so
we learned about how Trump has ordered the withdrawal withdrawal of our troops
in Syria and because it happened for forces in Iraq and I saw something very
interesting on the news I saw that rebels um in the Altaf territory that's
where the US bases but the best were there withdrawing from which is up in
Nam I guess Syria Kurdistan um immediately surrendered as soon as the
u.s. withdrawals so so the rebels in Syria immediately surrendered as soon as
the US withdrawal they said they will be dropping their guns as soon as the US
finishes their withdrawal yeah I mean that makes sense to me you know like I
said before you know without the u.s. backing you know the the groups in in
Syria that we've been backing the whole time
there's they had no fighting chance like at all well I'm curious I'm really
curious to see who is with who going to be Simran who's gonna be
surrendering who's gonna be dropping their arms if they if I'm curious to see
if there's any al-qaeda or nur that's gonna be surrendering ya know I'm really
curious about meat meat - because obviously those are those are like that
nefarious rebels right so so for our listeners and potentially viewers out
there obviously when we talk about the Syrian rebels that's kind of a large you
know not really cohesive group of specific individuals you know there's
there's groups like al-nusrah like you said there's al-qaeda cells there but
there's also groups that are backed by the u.s. such as the Kurds the Peshmerga
and a few others as well so you know this is kind of a catch-all term when
when you hear or read about you know rebels in Syria you know we got to get
really specific on which rebels are you know are dropping their guns so to speak
because I think that's important context - so my prediction would probably be
that the the more nefarious types will probably stick around in the fight you
know and the ones that are smarter will will drop off because they they quite
honestly without the without us backing there's there's no way that they could
that they could hold up like a military front for very long at all they're gonna
just head it look it looks gonna get more crowded yeah that's my prediction
yeah a lot of the more nefarious ones will probably end up in it lib however
I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of nefarious ones that are going to be in
that group of surrendering but I don't actually have full details on that I
just thought that was interesting to see how fast the response was of how so I'm
quote maybe maybe perhaps allegedly moderate rebels are surrendering and I'm
not talking about the courage right now I'm talking about like the actual Syrian
rebels not the Kurdish forces right over there the ones that are putting down
your guns um another thing that was really interesting this happened since
we last talked about Syria is that Israel did like this very weird maneuver
so on Christmas Day Israel bombed two targets at the same time they bombed
targeted up near I believe the inlet process it lived province but then they
bomb the target in Damascus and the target in Damascus was against
an Iranian jet that was holding officers who are withdrawing back to Iran hmm it
was very interesting and Syria and air defense is saying that they are
allegedly I think is true they they shot down 16 of 18 of the missiles that were
launched in Damascus now they weren't as three hundreds they were s two hundreds
yeah but the stillness they weren't as three hundreds but still that's that's
pretty interesting cuz it is still Russian tech that they're using to shoot
them down can you imagine now with s3 hundreds you know what kind of damage or
what kind of defensive capabilities they'd have I'm really shocked that
Israel flew a sortie into into Syria now now knowing that you know that they've
got some new Russian gear that's that's pretty ballsy it's pretty ballsy but I
think they couldn't really help themselves
I think Netanyahu it the elections coming up in April then Yahoo is not
very popular right now and he's not popular four reasons for not being
hawkish enough so I really think he did it for political reason to just get a
sucker punch on Iran before they last like that that's really what I think
yeah I mean I wonder I wonder what the what the hmm what the cost you know to
benefit was on that one you know like is it just strictly political benefit or
you know I wonder if there's any military you know a benefit of striking
someone on their way out you know no I don't think there is I
think it was purely political I think it was a purely political thing by
Netanyahu who just wanted it just you know he's been ever since the Gaza
ceasefire a couple weeks ago he's been getting the lunch scrutiny and with all
his corruption charges he had to do something something I wanted to make
just one last sucker punch at the end say oh look I got him on there with you
know we made a minute strike on Iranian targets that we've been examining that's
what I think it is it was just kind of a sucker punch it kind of sucks and it's
kind of I think I think it's honestly pretty low to make a strike on Christmas
in Damascus especially there's the relationship
well especially it was considering that Damascus is a very is a multicultural
city it's not like I mean it predominantly it's it's Muslim but it's
but there still have some Christians of Christian faith right
there's Christians Jews Damascus is one of the most multicultural cities in the
world right it's just there it's a melting pot there and it's been a
melting pot since the sense probably the times of Rome and it just it's kind of
sad because Damascus remember look at pictures and Christmas Damascus it's a
beautiful place like they have these beautiful stuff Christmas celebrations
so I just felt that kind of sucked God they haven't you know just since I
think it's been since two thousand fifteen or fourteen they haven't had a
Christmas celebration in Damascus and I'm sure a lot of people are looking
forward to that so I just feel pretty bad for the people who had yeah it's all
to have the Christmas ruined yeah fucking airstrike it's a little messed
up you know because if it were the other way around and you know someone had
strike Israel on say Hanukkah or something like that there would be some
serious outrage about that regardless of the fact that they're at war or not like
there's just kind of these just general understandings like you know maybe let's
take a quick holiday from for more fighting you know yeah well I mean Yom
Kippur War yeah bloodiest war in Israeli history since their war of liberation
exactly opinion not liberation or independence or whatever or conquer or
artificial conquering date whatever you want to call it yeah you you I decide
with the definition is but it is it was interesting but yeah I definitely think
was just purely political it seemed it seemed pretty weird but all in all I'm
pretty I'm pretty happy that this move was taking place I think it's the Syrian
government's more than capable I'm glad we're not looking at the Syrian
government as enemies anymore because I just don't think they are animates the
US interest at all in reality over the past eight years they've been fighting
the most brutal most disgusting people on earth Isis and al-qaeda and those are
actual true enemies to Western values and Western democracies and that go
around and shooting people and knock down
towers and in reality Trump claims that we beat Isis well you know what fine you
know I'm not gonna rub her up like kicked her ego declare victory get out
of there just in reality though it was the Syrians the Syrian government with
help of Russian the Hubble the Russian Air Force which mind you killed tens of
thousands of civilians on their one dividing this children of thousands of
billions in fact they their air-raids approval right however I mean it's never
borderline indiscriminate honestly no they were they're absolutely brutal the
Russian air raids were absolutely brutal air raid say they killed tens of
thousands of civilians throughout they we threw out those their involvement
since 2015 but I mean it's so I don't justify it's terrible but civil wars are
bloody like the American Civil War was pretty bloody and there was a lot of
civilians it died which people don't really talk about we declare total war
right that's what happens but I think it's sooner this whole thing wraps up
which probably will never fully wrap up the better yeah I think time will tell
really on on on a lot of those questions too you know like when when we initially
started looking into you know serum I personally didn't love Bashar al-assad
you know he's not necessarily the greatest person on the planet but not
many like not many not many loved Assad right and there's plenty of reasons not
to but I think you're absolutely right in saying that you know it doesn't make
sense to you know what's the saying the the enemy of my enemy is my friend right
if their foot if they were fighting Syria in the first place you know we
should have maybe taken a closer look at partnering with them to make sure Isis
got got crushed kind of like what what Russia did I think I would have
definitely taken a different approach and you know the question goes back to
like historical is like you know Iraq to you know was it smart to kill Saddam
Hussein granted terrible person but you know the power vacuum that was
left in that you know after despo deposing him you know obviously created
that the you know the situation where what
read have where we have Isis so time will be no matter do you want to choose
your dictator like we just we choose a dictators that we like and we choose the
dictators that we don't like how decaying is a dictator mb/s is a
dictator right like him well we used to like him before
he killed the Washington Post journalist right however how he performed and how
all the other crown princes and all all the other kings of Saudi Arabia
performed and went around with when carried out their orders with government
they were doing it in a doctoral fashion yeah we never really complained there we
didn't complain about - about Saddam ins wouldn't complain about Saddam Hussein
until after the Iranian Iraq war so it's choosing dictators and it's just
it's just stupid like it's just stupid to just choose a dictators you like like
you know just let them let them enjoy let's let them sort it out on their own
and I mean to this day I really have doubts I still have doubts on how much
of the Arab Spring Syria was organic and how much was important because I mean
there's evidence that there's a lot I mean Qatar Saudi Arabia Israel the
United States they were all funding these rebels that turned out to be
insane head choppers and Syria the ones that caused all the havoc from Syria a
lot of them were backed by Qatar Saudi Arabia Israel the United States so it's
just as shitty it's just they it was a terrible war that that happened you know
in a geopolitical sense I think it's what it was mainly just coke was over
over I want to say pipelines but I think they're just definitely more to it than
that I think most people have listened we've talked about it there were rival
pipelines coming in one was coming in through Qatar to Qatar through Saudi
Arabia to Jordan and I'm supposed to go to Syria but Syria didn't sign off on it
and then there was another one that was proposed to come out of Iran which Syria
would have signed off on obviously we didn't want the pipeline from Iran
to go into the European markets so that's when nefarious forces started to
find jihadist groups to take advantage of I guess the the Arab Spring and in
the moment of turbulence and in Syria but you know that's an interesting
theory and and you know obviously not neither of us can prove or disprove it
you know totally open question here you know I think what what I'm concerned
about is that like the Arab Spring was organic in a lot of places you know
whether that was imported or agitated by foreign governments is up for debate I
think you know because we don't know all the facts there but it definitely was
okay what I'm trying to get at though is that you know imported or not I think
that the people that that believed in some of the you know reforms that they
were looking for in the Arab Spring shouldn't be ignored even if even if it
was agitated by political motivations to depose another dictator because of a
pipeline issue I think we're kind of forgetting about that that portion of it
like the human element of it like yeah we can follow the geopolitics for sure
and there seems to be a clear strand there but I wonder you know okay cool
you know we we pull out you know Syria wins they continue on like what about
what the what the people want what about what about the reforms that they were
looking for what about that you know it does it does it just get silenced
because they lost you know is it even relevant because you believe that that
it's all imported from another country you know open questions you know I don't
know the answers to these but I don't want to forget about the people
themselves you know yeah what the priorities in stop the violence Assad
was president for 10 years prior to the Arab Spring there was never any violence
there was ever any violence and saw his father was president one of the claims
that that some people make regarding the white helmets is that there
used to mark areas where rebels will shoot chemical gas to frame on the
Syrians and Russians let the Russian as the Russians accuse the month well I
mean speaking elements are actually speaking of Russians you know I think
another reason why I asked that open question about you know what about the
will of the people is because and maybe we can tie this into that that subject
that you wanted to talk about but don't have the the the strength to cover right
now the the Moller investigation you know a lot of the questions about the
Moller investigation and about this collusion is that the the Russian
government utilized social media and other strategies to you know influence
the election right and so to influence the opinions and the minds of that so
let's say just just for funsies right that Russia actually did that right
Russia actually you know implemented their their influence on social media to
change people's minds or get people riled up about one thing or another for
a political motivation if that is true I still think that the people who rallied
behind these Russian made it causes still believe in those causes
nevertheless right so relating this back to Syria even if you know Qatar and and
Saudi Arabia and the United States were funding you know these people in in
Syria to start their own Arab Spring still believe that for the people that
were in the Arab Spring the actual Syrians not the imports right but the
actual Syrians that were for an Arab Spring in Syria they still believed in
those things right so so you know by that logic if we were to ignore the will
of the people in Syria because it was a foreign intervention then are we to
ignore the will of the people here in the United States potentially because
that was a foreign vention open question I'm not sure if
I'm following with it following you right now comparing Siri that the will
of the people in Syria comparing the will of the people in
America the country that were both citizens of yeah I mean one of the fact
that we're citizens of the United States is irrelevant what I'm saying is that is
that you you you pointed out a theory that that the Arab Spring itself was an
importation was was influenced by external sovereign nations right in
Syria that's that's it was I think it was escalated by cool by cool external
and and escalated by external actors right which means that the people who
started it were internal actors and then they were escalated by the external
actors for political reasons right so for example Qatar notices that there's
going to be a bunch of people that there's a bunch of people in Syria pre
the civil war that one and Arab Spring they want all these reforms and Qatar
sees that as an opportunity to exaggerate exacerbate that situation
right because that could cause a civil war in Syria and then maybe they'll get
their pipelines right so do you follow me so far on that one right they're
influencing the people there they're they're exacerbating the situation right
and so you're saying that that was you know one of the big portions of this
cereal Syrian civil war but the will of the people to have an Arab Spring was
still there and and even if it was influenced by an external force the will
of the Syrian people will still do have an Arab Spring right so that's that's on
the one side that's on the one side on the on the other side if we're talking
about the United States and the Russia thing people on the I'm gonna say
blanketly people on the right wanted Trump right were for Trump's ideals were
for Trump's policies they had those ideas all by themselves
the Russians purportedly exacerbated the issue by exercising social media
influence for a potentially a political gain right like Putin saw Trump as an
easier person to manipulate than Hillary Clinton therefore you know they put a
bunch of money and time and effort into swaying the election towards towards
Trump right now hypothetical we don't know 100% for sure right but the point
though is that the will of the American people on the right was for those points
in the first place and the will of the Syrian people in Syria was for the Arab
Spring the fact that there was external sources is important to think about for
context but we don't want to completely ignore the will of the people in the
first place well yeah you don't want to ignore the
will the people but just because some people are protesting isn't that doesn't
represent the entire everyone from Syria and just because we voted for Trump that
didn't represent the entirety of a dozen states you know yeah so look at look at
Syria so Syria is a predominantly Sunni
country mm-hmm Assad is Anala white because it pays of Shiite he's not it's
not the main 12 or Shiite it's like an offshoot of Shiites that twelve or
Shiites don't need to consider a Shiite but it's an offshoot of Shiites they're
very Western they drink they wear western clothing there is pretty much as
Western as you can as you can possibly get as far as the Islamic community is
concerned so seventy percent of the country Sunni and another ten percents I
think is Christian and maybe another five percent is is as Jewish it's a very
it's a diverse place and for the most part there is really no sectarian divide
in that country at all for many many years
yeah the bath party which was mostly al White's
wasn't charged and there was a bath ruling caste in Syria but what happened
was they these countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar which are will Hobby
countries they're there they abide by gulabi ISM which is the strictest in
most oppressive form of Islam there is the ones the the countries that make you
wet make women wear beer beer beer wear beekeeper costumes beer wear because
keeper costumes the countries that have virtually no rights basically they're
giant welfare states for for the male population and they just give them money
to and don't make them pay taxes based off oil revenue for them to pretty much
of to capitulate to the government demands they're they're kind of like
rogue states when you really think about it what they did is that they put they
they financed and gave money to radical groups that ideologically represented
those countries they cost mayhem they caused mayhem and
they caught people's head they they cut people's heads off they massacred people
they did the most brutal acts and the entire war were done by the people that
our our allies in the Middle East financed and before that Syria was a
predominantly it was a peaceful country yeah
Assad's bastard all dictators are bastards however if you look at the
history of the Middle East over the past 50 years since world war ii has always
been dictators in charge that's when those countries have been the most
stable and it's it democracy's gonna have to be but yeah but like Assad the
Assad family has been ruling the country for 40 fucking years
like I'm racing cars so I concede that there were terrible people that were
funded by external forces that cut people's heads off and did the most
brutal shit during during the war I concede that point that's true but again
there were still non brutal non terrorist people in Syria that wanted us
that wanted us an Arab Spring they wanted reform they want to change right
and yet there were there were there were but let's just say that there is sorry
somebody let's just say um there's been many protests towards Donald Trump
mm-hmm since he's become president yes there's been many of them the women's
March there so whatever March there's many anti-trump protesters what what if
what if Canada started financing like external like militia groups in America
to go and use the protest as a pretext to overthrow the American government
let's just say that happened because a lot of people a lot of Sunnis actually
support Assad like a lot of it wasn't like it clear to by where 80% of the
country was trying to get rid of them it was more it was split you know I don't
know the exact number was whether it's 60 40 or 40 60 or 50 50 but it wasn't
like this overwhelming majority was was trying to get there it was trying to
March for their civil rights it was a pretty split it was a split I mean so we
don't know that for sure we don't know the exact don't know you
don't know that the exact numbers for sure we don't know the exact numbers for
sure but all I do know is that Syria was a non violent country before the Syrian
civil war yeah yes after an un brutal listen and I hear you thought he was not
a Saddam Hussein Saddam Hussein I hear you but the conditions in Syria were
such that a Arab Spring could happen in the first place therefore people wanted
some kind of change and and and acted on that and it was co-opted that that
movement was absolutely co-opted by these brutal people yeah but now that
we've you know now that everything's said and done and I look you know we're
pulling out and all this other shit the people that get forgotten are the people
who wanted the shit in the first place and because we don't know what the
demographic breakdown of like people that were for Assad and people that
weren't for Assad you know this is it's troubling to me you know it's it's kind
of like the the the the failed coup in in Turkey you know and dirt on you know
basically consolidated power after that you know when you win you kind of get to
do what you want you get it kind of get a blank check and that's concerning well
there's a there's a lot of people who say that rwan set that up yeah it's a
pretext to take more power yeah yeah totally which I which which I really
don't put past them at all yes I mean what's that what's to say you
know that that this isn't all contrived - I mean the like the idea that you know
the idea that there weren't some plurality of people that wanted change
in Syria you know is it is ridiculous of course there there are plenty of people
that want to change in and as a result of nefarious external actors they're not
going to get that change anymore right and and now people like the Kurds
who were living in Syria who are fighting against Isis just in the same
way that Assad was fighting against Isis fought hard died bled you know they're
they're like being their suppressed by the governments of Assad and
and by turkey and people like that they're not gonna have a fighting chance
anymore they're not gonna have a voice anymore
is it our place to be the voices of people who are you know who can't for
themselves probably not but I think we're taking just such a you know such a
matter of fact look at this and there's no nuance of involved in it you know I
think yeah we're pulling out Assad one there's largely no more Isis I still
think like what about those people what about those people that wanted the
change well they're gonna have to do it in a democratic way whether it is some
type of political reform but doing in violence doesn't work again again the
violent we were saying that the violent actors were external I'm certain that
there were nonviolent Arab Springer's yeah I mean certainly the majority of
them we're hit it sucks it's not the good guy it stops the government so like
we're not saying by any means he's a good guy I'm just saying that what he
was fighting against was worse overall but um left over we're passing a half
hour right now why don't we wrap this up because the half hour episode of scene
from I'm picking something up Roger get nuts yeah we'll pick this up again
we can uh we can talk about Russia gate in the next one then yeah yeah I think
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