ST. PETERSBURG, AND THE MAIN SUBJECT, RUSSIA'S EFFORTS TO
INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTION. >> PRESIDENT PUTIN, YOU HAVE
REPEATEDLY AND PASSIONATELY DENIED THAT RUSSIA WAS BEHIND
THE INTERFERENCE WITH OUR AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, THE CONSENSUS VIEW IN THE UNITED STATES IS
THAT YOU DID. THAT'S WHAT THE 17 INTELLIGENCE
AGENCIES CONCLUDED, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ON THE
CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WHO HAVE SEEN THE
CLASSIFIED REPORT HAVE SAID. ARE THEY ALL LYING?
>> Translator: THEY HAVE BEEN MISLED.
AND THEY AREN'T ANALYZING THE INFORMATION IN ITS ENTIRETY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN EVEN ONCE ANY DIRECT PROOF OF RUSSIAN
INTERFERENCE IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN THE UNITED STATES.
>> WE MET PRESIDENT PUTIN IN ST. PETERSBURG, HIS HOMETOWN, AND
RUSSIA'S FORMER CAPITAL. HE GREW UP IN A MODEST
NEIGHBORHOOD HERE, BECAME A KGB SPYMASTER, AND HAS BEEN RUSSIA'S
STRONG MAN FOR 17 YEARS NOW. >> WELCOME TO THE ST. PETERSBURG
INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC FORUM. >> IT WAS MY JOB TO MODERATE THE
FORUM, WITH MORE THAN 4,000 FEEM IN THE AUDIENCE, INCLUDING WORLD
LEADERS, SOME SHARING THE STAGE. THE NORMALLY WONKISH GATHERING
BECAME HEATED WHEN I ASKED PRESIDENT PUTIN WITH RUSSIA'S
ATTEMPTS TO HACK THE U.S. ELECTION.
>> THE EXPERTS SAY IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN FAKED, IT'S THE
FORENSICS, THE MALWARE, THE ENCRYPTION KEYS, THE SPECIFIC
PIECES OF CODE, THAT ALL OF THEM POINT TO RUSSIA AND NONE OF THEM
POINTS TO ANYONE OTHER THAN RUSSIA.
>> Translator: WHAT FINGERPRINTS, OR HOOF PRINTS OR
HORN PRINTS? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
IP ADDRESSES CAN BE INVENTED, YOU KNOW.
THERE ARE A LOT OF SPECIALISTS WHO CAN MAKE IT SO IT COMES FROM
YOUR HOME IP ADDRESS, AS IF YOUR 3-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER CARRIED OUT
THE ATTACK. >> THERE ARE REPORTS TODAY IN
THE AMERICAN PRESS THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TOOK ACTIVE
STEPS TO EASE SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER
TRUMP TOOK OFFICE. WAS IT POSSIBILITY EVER
DISCUSSED BETWEEN THE TRUMP TEAM AND YOUR REPRESENTATIVES PRIOR
TO PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING INAUGURATED?
>> Translator: YOU KNOW, I SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
TO BE HONEST, IT WAS A BIG SURPRISE FOR ME TOO.
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS JUST NUTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PEOPLE SPREADING THIS DISINFORMATION
CAME FROM. IT'S SOME SORT OF CATASTROPHE.
>> AFTER THOSE TESTY EXCHANGES, WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT WAS GOING
TO HAPPEN LATER WHEN WE SAT DOWN FOR OUR ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEW.
AND WENT RIGHT BACK TO THE ISSUE OF HACKING.
>> YOU HAD SAID FOR MONTHS THAT RUSSIA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH
THE INTERFERENCE OF THE AMERICAN ELECTION AND THIS WEEK, YOU
FLOATED THE IDEA OF PATRIOTIC HACKERS DOING IT.
WHY THE CHANGE AND WHY NOW? >> Translator: I HADN'T SAID
ANYTHING. IT'S JUST THAT FRENCH
JOURNALISTS ASKED ME ABOUT THOSE HACKERS.
I TELL THEM THE SAME THING I TELL YOU.
HACKERS CAN BE ANYWHERE, IN RUSSIA, IN ASIA, AMERICA, LATIN
AMERICA. THEY CAN BE HACKERS IN THE
UNITED STATES WHO VERY SKILLFULLY AND PROFESSIONALLY,
AS WE SAY, SHIFTED THE BLAME ONTO RUSSIA.
COULD YOU ACCEPT THAT? IN THE MIDST OF A POLITICAL
BATTLE, BY SOME CALCULATIONS, IT WAS CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO
RELEASE THIS INFORMATION. SO THEY RELEASED IT, CALLING OUT
RUSSIA. CAN YOU IMAGINE SOMETHING LIKE
THAT? I CAN.
>> THEN THE FORMER KGB AGENT FLOATED A CONSPIRACY THEORY
ABOUT U.S. DIRTY TRICKS. >> THERE'S A THEORY THAT
KENNEDY'S ASSASSINATION WAS ARRANGED BY THE UNITED STATES
INTELLIGENCE SERVICES. IF THIS THEORY IS CORRECT, THEN
WHAT COULD BE RULED OUT? THIS DAY AND AGE, USING ALL THE
TECHNICAL MEANS OF THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES TO
ORGANIZE ATTACKS AND THEN POINTING THE FINGER AT RUSSIA.
>> FOR THE RECORD, U.S. INTELLIGENCE HAS CONCLUDED THEIR
PUTIN HIMSELF ORDERED THE DISRUPTION OF THE ELECTION.
REGARDLESS, PRESIDENT PUTIN SAID THE U.S. SHOULD BE THE LAST
COUNTRY TO ACCUSE RUSSIA OF MEDDLING.
>>. >> Translator: I WILL TELL YOU
SOMETHING YOU ALREADY KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYONE'S
FEELINGS, BUT THE U.S. ACTIVELY INTERFERES WITH CAMPAIGNS IN
OTHER COUNTRIES. AMERICAN OFFICIALS ARE
INTERFERING IN INTERNAL ELECTORAL PROCESSES.
>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A JUSTIFICATION.
>> Translator: IT'S A STATEMENT OF FACT.
EVERY ACTION HAS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.
WE DON'T EVEN BE HAVE TO DO THAT.
PRESIDENTS COME AND GO, GO AND EVEN THE PARTIES IN FOUR, BUT
THE MAIN POLITICAL DIRECTION DOESN'T CHANGE.
THAT'S WHY, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS
THE HEAD OF THE UNITED STATES. WE KNOW MORE OR LESS WHAT IS
GOING TO HAPPEN. SO IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US
TO INTERFERE. >> BUT THE FBI, CONGRESS, AND A
SPECIAL COUNSEL ARE INVESTIGATING RUSSIA'S
INTERFERENCE, AND WHETHER THE TRUMP TEAM WAS IN ON IT.
>> A SPECIALS COUNSEL HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO INVESTIGATE
CONTACTS BETWEEN YOUR GOVERNMENT AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
YOU'VE SAID YOUR AMBASSADOR, KISLYAK, WAS JUST DOING HIS JOB.
SO WHAT EXACTLY WAS DISCUSSED IN THESE MEETINGS?
>> THERE WERE NO MEETINGS. I -- YOU UNDERSTAND?
THERE WERE NO MEETINGS. WHEN I SAW THIS, MY JAW DROPPED.
>> NO MEETINGS BETWEEN AMBASSADOR KISLYAK AND ANYBODY
FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN? >> Translator: I HAVE NO IDEA.
I'M BEING HONEST. DO YOU THINK THAT FROM ALL OVER
THE WORLD AND THE UNITED STATES, THE AMBASSADOR REPORTS TO ME
EVERY DAY WHO HE EATS WITH OR MEETS WITH?
>> YOU'RE HIS BOSS. >> HIS BOSS IS THE MINISTER OF
FOREIGN AFFAIRS. DO YOU THINK I HAVE TIME TO TALK
TO OUR AMBASSADORS EVERY DAY ALL OVER THE WORLD?
COMPLETE NONSENSE. >> AMONG THOSE UNDER SCRUTINY,
THE PRESIDENT'S SON-IN-LAW, JARED KUSHNER.
AT A MEETING WITH RUSSIA'S AMBASSADOR LAST DECEMBER, HE
REPORTEDLY TRIED TO ESTABLISH A SECRET COMMUNICATIONS CHANNEL
WITH THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. >> THIS IS A PROPOSAL BY MR.
KUSHNER? >> Translator: I DON'T KNOW
ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL. NO PROPOSAL LIKE THAT CAME TO
ME. >> MR. PRESIDENT, DID JARED TRY
TO SET UP A BACK CHANNEL TO THE RUSSIANS?
>> HAVE YOU GONE BACK TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE
DISCUSSIONS? >> Translator: NO.
>> WITH ANYBODY FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN?
>>. >> Translator: NEVER.
>> WEREN'T YOU INTERESTED? >> Translator: IF IT HAD BEEN
IMPORTANT, THE MINISTER WOULD HAVE REPORTED IT TO ME.
THERE WASN'T ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT.
THERE WASN'T A DISCUSSION ABOUT SANCTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
FOR ME, THIS IS JUST AMAZING. YOU CREATE A SENSATION OUT OF
NOTHING AND OUT OF THIS SENSATION, YOU TURN IT INTO A
WEAPON OF WAR AGAINST THE CURRENT PRESIDENT.
WELL, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST, YOU PEOPLE ARE SO CREATIVE
OVER THERE. GOOD JOB.
YOUR LIVES MUST BE BORING. >> MICHAEL FLYNN HASN'T HAD A
BORING LIFE. IN 2015 HE ATTENDED AN EVENT
WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN IN MOSCOW. HE WAS LATER HIRED AND THEN
FIRED AS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER.
AND IS NOW BEING INVESTIGATED FOR HIS RUSSIAN CONNECTIONS.
>> DID YOU KNOW GENERAL MICHAEL FLYNN?
HE CAME OVER HERE FOR A DINNER, A PHOTO OF WHICH HAS BEEN WIDELY
CIRCULATED IN THE AMERICAN MEDIA.
WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM?
>> Translator: YOU AND I, YOU AND I PERSONALLY HAVE A MUCH
CLOSER RELATIONSHIP THAN I HAD WITH MR. FLYNN.
WE MET YESTERDAY EVENING, WORKED TOGETHER ALL DAY TODAY AND NOW
WE'RE MEETING AGAIN. WHEN I CAME TO THE EVENT AND SAT
DOWN AT THE TABLE, NEXT TO ME THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN ON ONE
SIDE. I MADE MY SPEECH, THEN WE TALKED
ABOUT SOME OTHER STUFF AND I GOT UP AND LEFT.
AFTERWARDS I WAS TOLD, YOU KNOW THAT WAS AN AMERICAN GENTLEMAN
WHO WAS INVOLVED IN SOME THINGS, HE USED TO BE IN THE
INTELLIGENCE SERVICES. THAT'S IT.
I DIDN'T EVEN REALLY TALK TO HIM.
THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY ACQUAINTANCE WITH MR. FLYNN.
>> BUT WHAT ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH PRESIDENT
TRUMP? >> I WOULD GET ALONG WITH
RUSSIA, AND I'LL GET ALONG WITH PUTIN, AND HE'S NOT GOING TO
MAKE US LOOK BAD ANYMORE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET ALONG.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS IN AMERICA ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S
FINANCES, HE HASN'T RELEASED HIS TAX RETURNS.
AND A SECRET RUSSIAN DOSSIER THAT HE SAYS IS FAKE.
THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE
KREMLIN AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, ALL OF WHICH HAS MEARNDS ASKING,
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING DAMAGING ON OUR PRESIDENT?
>> WELL, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LOAD OF NONSENSE.
WHERE WOULD WE GET THIS INFORMATION FROM?
DID WE HAVE A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM?
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP AT ALL.
THERE WAS A TIME WHENLY USED TO COME TO MOSCOW, BUT I NEVER HAD
THE WITH HIM. WE HAVE A LOT OF AMERICANS WHO
VISIT US. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE
REPRESENTATIVES FROM 100 AMERICAN COMPANIES THAT HAVE
COME TO RUSSIA. DO YOU THINK WE'RE GATHERING
COMPROMISING INFORMATION ON ALL OF THEM NOW OR SOMETHING?
HAVE YOU ALL LOST YOUR SENSES OVER THERE?
>> TOWARD THE END OF OUR CONVERSATION, WE MOVED AWAY FROM
THE ELECTION CONTROVERSY, TO PRESIDENT PUTIN'S REPUTATION FOR
REPRESSION. >> MANY AMERICANS HEAR THE NAME
VLADIMIR PUTIN, AND THEY THINK HE RUNS A COUNTRY FULL OF
CORRUPTION, A COUNTRY IN WHICH JOURNALISTS WHO ARE TOO CRITICAL
WIND OF MURDERED, A COUNTRY IN WHICH DISSIDENTS COULD WIND UP
IN JAIL OR WORSE. TO MEME WHO BELIEVE THAT, WHAT
IS YOUR MESSAGE? >> I WANT TO SAY THAT RUSSIA IS
DEVELOPING ALONG A DEMOCRATIC PATH, THAT IS CERTAIN.
AND NO ONE SHOULD HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
WHY DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK US THESE KINDS OF
QUESTIONS AND DO IT ALL OF THE TIME, TO MORALIZE AND GIVE US
LESSONS ON HOW TO LIVE? WE'RE READY TO LISTEN TO
COMMENTS WHEN IT'S DONE CONSTRUCTIVELY, CREATING A
COMMON ENVIRONMENT. BUT WE WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT
ACCEPT WHEN THESE SORTS OF THINGS ARE USED AS AN INSTRUMENT
OF POLITICAL CONFLIC
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