Hi, guys, be very welcome to another video of the channel "AFTER ALL, WHAT ARE WE?"
Here is the second part of Lucas Olles interview,
who at the age of nineteen had a stroke, followed by a seizure followed by cardiac arrest,
followed by another stroke.
Only.
His story is very impressive.
To give you an idea, when he was there, in the middle of the Near-Death Experience,
he received a request.
They told him to tell people what he learned there ... when he came back here.
With you ... the second part.
Lucas, you talked about a white platform, in a certain moment ...
Some people with similar experiences say that ...
they were taken to a certain place ...
you described it very well ... a lake ... a kind of woods ...
and that there is a limit,
which you must not cross.
That's it.
Did you have this sensation in the place you were?
Yes.
Then, you too...?
I had.
I had a total certainty that there was more ... within that universal consciousness.
A total certainty, a total certainty.
the consciousness ... and the certainty that there were other places.
Infinitely larger places ...
But you did not have access to them?
To be accessed ... but I could not access them.
So much so that we just stayed in the surroundings ... of the lake, where there were the flowers ...
huge ... the flower bed ...
And so ... on the left side ... a forest began, rounded like this ...
with very tall trees ...
with no noise of birds ...
there were no birds there ... just silence ... and a bright light ...
and heat.
The white platform was also a limit.
It was also a limit.
So much so that I left the platform to the places where I went.
But I did not go beyond the platform,
although I could see what was there,
It was a continuation of this great open space ...
of this ... place very much like a park...
but I did not go.
The issue of the platform is as follows.
Everything was a lawn ... on the floor ...
and there was a square on the floor,
two by two square meters.
That's where I woke up ... and that's where I lay down to return.
And this issue of ...
this issue of seeing what was beyond the platform ...
I really could see it ...
but it's not that I could not go.
I should not go.
But I believe I could ...
It was there, isn't it?
I was there.
I just should not go.
It's as if...
the area to which I had access was the area ...
of my experience.
for the experience.
But as my grandmother said that I ...
and it was the first thing she said: "Stay calm ... you will return".
So I think from then on ...
I've been trying to rationalize ...
that place there,
and to say that...
perhaps if I went beyond the platform or into that forest ...
or tried to go around the other side of the lake, perhaps I really wouldn't come back.
Perhaps.
But I believe it is not a choice we can make.
That's why I was sure that I could not go.
You had to come back, you were already informed, right?
It was the first thing I was told.
There are two things in Lucas's experience...
that coincide at least with one of the emblematic cases of NDE ...
which is the one of Pamela Reynolds, who was operated ...
by a neurosurgeon in Arizona ...
and she was frozen ...
this type of surgery is not done until now ...
But he did. She was killed ... clinically ...
and then she described something that coincided with your description:
the horror of the own body.
She said: "to go back and get into this?"
That's what it is ... it's ugly ...
And the other thing is the feeling of discomfort, she had her temperature lowered,
so by the time the surgery was finished they raised little by little the temperature ...
When it was about seventeen degrees on celsius scale ...
She began to awaken.
She said she felt such a cold, a terrible pain ...
as she entered her own body,
the same way Lucas tell us.
The body is ugly ... the body is ugly because ...
you get used to ... there ... very fast.
Perhaps because it is our place of origin ...
and unconsciously we never forget that.
So this idea of looking down and not seeing the body ...
or looking and seeing light, instead of anything physical ...
because I did not shake anyone's hand, I did not squeeze anything, so I do not know if it was physical,
but it was light, it was very bright.
Then suddenly you go back to a body ...
a misshapen body...
That was the feeling ... shapeless ... heavy ... attacked ... pain ... horrible.
It's not like ... a mirror sensation, is it?
No, no, no, it's something else ... it is not me.
"That thing there is not me."
Yes, it is another thing ... it is horrible ... ugly, misshapen.
Lucas, did you speak about your experience to the doctors who assisted you ...
during the cardiac arrest... did you have the opportunity of doing this?
To some of them. I spoke to some of them...
Because ... as I said, I stayed a long time in the hospital ...
and then... you have all those changes ... and everything else ...
but to some of them ... I spoke.
What about their receptivity?... Was it natural?
With some doctors ... especially with the neurologists ...
a very good receptivity.
They heard you?
Yes.
As for the nurses I not even need to say ...
Oh, yes?
the nurses are ...
Lucas, this question has a second purpose which is as follows:
to know if some of the people who helped you, who gave you assistance ...
were able to confirm something that you have seen in your experience.
for example ... thinking of the nurse who climbed on the bed ...
after all, did you ask her, "Did you climb on the bed and ...?"
All of them.
Did all of them confirm?
All of them.
- Everything you described ... they had no doubts ? - All ... all ... all of them...
All, all, all.
Lucas's experience has the highest score on Greyson's scale.
It has everything, everything.
All that is described (on the scale) he experienced.
All, all, all of them.
From my mother being removed from the ICU by a petite nurse ...
to another nurse who was about to climb ... in the urge to do a massage ...
a cardiac massage ...
to the doctor that arrived and later became a good friend of mine ...
we used to call him "feijão" (bean).
No ... "chazinho" (~ some tea). After a while he became "bean".
At that time he was called "cha" (tea) because everytime he would say: "Lucas, drink some tea."
I became very ... very ...
Close to him?
Close ... because I stayed there a long time and ...
and all of them... confirmed ...
that I was right ...
because I told them ... and they answered: it is true ...
it's true ... that's what happened... it's true.
This...
this request ... of my grandmother for me to come back and tell ...
report ...
it seems to me ...
that it is linked to the very reason that everything has happened.
The reason I have been through ...
when I was nineteen, two strokes, one seizure followed by a cardio-respiratory arrest ...
and suddenly this experience ...
it seems to me it's all very interconnected, nothing is by chance.
And this coming back and reporting is what I do, that's what I'm doing here.
Whenever I can, whether in a bar table, or in a restaurant or in a classroom, I always tell ...
and ... I believe that this story accesses in people some things.
Because I think the great motivation to tell is this ... is to access some things in people.
In each one, of course, different things ...
things that change.
But to access these ...
feelings and things in the people that in our day to day stay well hidden,
things that stay obscured, forgotten,
I think it's the same feeling ...
as when I came across this experience ...
"Oops! There is something bigger. Oops!"
Because we don't ... in the day to day we don't ...
in the day to day we stay connected to these things here, these mediocre ...
little things we do all day ...
and then ... "Oops! There is something that we have to cherish ..."
"Oops !. We have to understand something else ..."
and know that ...
here it is very short, it is a blow.
That's where we live, is as stated and is what I always ...
I turned my motto: "That's where we live."
Lucas, you mentioned that ...
like most people who go through what you went ...
They are developing some capabilities that had not developed before.
I would like you to talk a little bit about it.
What happened to you ... in your back,
how is your life today, related to the Near Death Experience?
The door did not close.
I came back and the door was half open.
At the hospital, still ...
already in the room ...
I remember that ...
I got out of the ICU, I went to the room but I got sick at times and I was transferred to hospital.
I went to a room where there was a man in the next bed ...
I was in a coma for a long time.
I remember waking up in the morning ...
I sit on the bed, looking at the bed side and he was sitting.
Then I looked again and he just sitting there.
Obviously I did not know his picture, I did not know he was in a coma ...
Then I looked to the side and he sat over there then I thought: our
Then he ...
Then I heard him talking, "talking to my mom I'm fine."
Shortly thereafter...
beeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
The nurses entered the room, closed a curtain that was around the bed and he died.
In no time he was sitting on the bed.
This in the hospital. And then? This went?
The next day his mother was there.
It was dawn. Early in the morning ...
and I was not afraid ...
I believe that if it was ... before the stroke I would be running so far.
then ... his mother was soon after, in the early morning ...
So my mother came I said: "Mom, it happened, this, this and this."
She said, "so when the mother comes, or when someone comes to tell you."
It happened, her mother came and I said:
"Look, he was sitting on the bed ..."
"And he said he was fine."
It was not his body, of course.
I'm absolutely certain that's what I told her helped her a lot ... this issue.
Her son was in a coma for fifteen years.
And you had more similar experiences with this, then?
Not in hospitals, because ... thank God once I had high ...
I repeat: I do not see it as ... religion.
Do you think part of that ...
It's like you say, the door remained open?
Exactly, exactly. Too often I wake up in the morning with full feeling of having ...
fifteen, twenty people in my room.
Lucas, you talked about waking up, and be in your room.
There needs to be special environments so that you have ...
No.
It may be at work ...?
I do not control.
I do not control. For example...
"Come now ..."
Got it. You have no power over it.
Suddenly I'm in the bathroom ... oops!
I'm in the kitchen ... oops!
I am a working meeting ... how many times in recent years ...
I was in a meeting with the full assurance that behind me has ...
many people. Surrounding the table a lot of people.
You can identify them ... ...
feeling...
many are afraid ...
fears that resemble the fear I had in my ... ... after death there ...
others ... with the same sense of ...
purity and pleasure that my grandmother passed ...
others with a sense of transmitting this purity, these sensations.
For example.
There have been a few times that I was very apprehensive amid business meetings ...
and suddenly I feel the hand ...
someone...
me through this calm.
"Calm..."
"Will be all right..."
And once I've ... down the ball ...
I believe this is very common for all of us, all the time.
All the time.
We are influenced by them all the time, all the time.
Do you think they are there, in that place and through this ...
poorly closed door they come to you?
I think the door is poorly closed for me.
I think for them the door is open all the time.
Not for all of them.
Not for all of them.
But for some who come here and have the ability to influence us...
certainly to influence in a decisive degree our actions, in our day to day.
That means ... they are people who are there ... where you've been.
Who are there and who can come ...
They may come because ... I see them sometimes.
As I don't see there ...
I don't see that place anymore. I never saw that place again, I've never been there anymore.
I don't see that place ... but I see ...
people from that place, here ...
so I believe they can come here.
I think that sometimes when I feel... their presence ... ...
I believe that they are there and I'm feeling this connection.
But when I see them, I believe they are here.
It is difficult to put this in our words ...
to explain in the physical world all this ...
Do you see these people as you see us here?
A little. A little.
It depends a lot on how I am, it depends if I'm calm, if I'm okay ...
then I see more materialized ...
but most of the time is some thing a bit like my grandmother.
Lucas, you said something that hinted that your experience would have an end, a goal ...
that it is because of the experience that you are talking about it, you are divulging somehow.
This caught my attention because of one thing ...
Not every person who has a cardio-respiratory arrest ...
or clinical death, goes through a Near-Death Experience.
By the way, this is a very interesting argument ...
to refute the hypothesis that medicine defends about the Near-Death Experience.
If you ask or talk about it to most doctors, they will say ...
it was caused by a lack of oxygen on the brain, causing a chemical reaction ...
ie anoxia, which is ...
It is a very palpable reaction ... very solid ...
They say it, but, in fact, when people have a ...
pressure drop, a cardiac arrest or a poor circulation in the brain,
they become unconscious and nobody come back telling any story.
So ... did you came to the conclusion that consciousness may be out of the body ...
or is it... in the brain?
No.
No, no, no, no.
The brain is only physical.
OK
The brain lends something to us.
Because the same way that when I think, I hear my voice,
in that place I heard this same voice.
Then this voice is not from here.
I think it is borrowed ...
Medicine believes ...
ie, the overwhelming majority of researchers on this subject ...
they says that consciousness is a product of the brain ...
as well as the breast produces milk, the brain produces consciousness.
Your experience implies exactly the opposite:
you have consciousness away from your brain.
You see your brain down there ...
I believe ... if we are to conjecture...
Why would my consciousness project me out of the body,
and make me watch myself going through all this negative experience,
when we know that the brain ... refutes ... negative experiences?
If you ask me to remember the pain I had,
I can't remember pain.
Can anyone remember any pain?
I remember the happiness.
But... the pain?
I think the brain always puts the pain and negative feelings behind the queue.
So why would the brain emphasize a negative feeling at a negative moment?
I think, if possible, the brain would lift me... whatever ...
Up?
Up.
But no. I had this experience where I left the body,
where I went through ...
all that physical problem ... because for the body it was a problem ...
and then... the whole experience there,
this thing of knowing it was my grandmother, even without seeing my grandmother,
I had not known my grandmother,
that place, my return,
and how to explain what happens to me since I returned?
The changes you had?
The changes. For example...
within this universal connection ...
I had the chance of connecting me ... a little bit... with them, there ...
the chance of experiencing this exchange of feelings ...
... and the chance of knowing that some forms of life ...
when I say life I mean it there, okay?
they were not...
like the ones we have here.
They were not like... the ones from this...
From this plane here?
From this plane,
from this small planet.
I had this absolute certainty that ...
some sensations, some returns of information that I received ...
they didn't come from ...
people.
Did they come from another kind of being?
Yes.
Yes.
Not necessarily a human kind?
Not human.
Not human.
But what does it mean? Are they all "under the same umbrella"?
All under the same umbrella.
Some of them with more certainty about the umbrella, others less sure about the umbrella,
some of them in contact with each other ...
others ... very isolated ...
others... lost, others... weirds...
other... contacting us here ...
Here.
This... at first makes you confused...
But soon you get to connect and ... this universal network immediately explains to you.
It is very difficult to understand but it is a very fast connectivity, it is a very fast broadband.
You understand everything very quickly.
So from the moment I questioned ... oops!
What is this?
Immediately I got the answer.
It is as if we were ... all the time connected to a large encyclopedia,
and for all the questions you may have ... immediately you know the answer.
So, why didn't I have any fear at any time?
Because I had the answer: "Don't be afraid, It's all right, this is where you live..."
Will I return? You will return.
Who is it? Your grandmother.
What is this, that I'm feeling ... has my vision increased?...
Does this really exist?
Yes, it exists. This is this, this and this.
This is ...
other dwellings.
which are also linked here ...
in which you find also... consciousness ...
These non-human beings have to do with these other dwellings?
Yes.
Yes. I refer to physical dwellings.
Physical like here?
Yes. Not in this, but... there are others... just as there is this planet here,
there are other planets, with people, with beings that are also connected to this same umbrella.
But in another ...
I didn't see ... I didn't see ...
- In another dimension than ours? - In another dimension ... in another dimension ...
or maybe not.
In the place where I went ...
they were not there but ... I'm completely sure that they were around.
You told that you felt connected to the collective unconscious ...
Yes.
- and interconnected with everyone. - With everyone.
Did this include all of these beings?
All of them. All of them.
It's like a great hive.
With all connected.
Including the part of the hive that we do not see,
that is far away .
All interconnected, all interconnected.
Without any doubt.
There are no borders.
I have the full assurance that ...
you know, their experiences ...
as...
as beings,
there, they're shared, they're communed.
It is very hard to explain.
It is a...
It is an information that comes from afar ...
someone living ... someone living... far away ...
physically...
The same way I felt my mother here ...
suffering,
- she thought I was dead ... -
but through a feeling, an information that came from afar ...
I also felt an information coming from far from ...
beings... living ... far away ...
in their routine ...
It is very hard to explain.
And the fact is that consciousness becomes expanded, is not it?
Totally ... there is no end.
Your vision has been modified?
I've heard of people who saw in 360 degrees ...
No, no, no.
My physical vision has not changed.
I mean there. When you were there ...
Oh... there, yes ... there, yes... there, yes...
How did it change?
You don't need to turn around.
- To see? - To see.
It's all very universal. When I say universal it is this:.
universal consciousness ... shared ...
collective, okay?
universal vision ...
It is very hard to explain.
It is totally expanded.
There is no end ... no end ... no end ...
Just as no one had to say to me, "hey ... don't go there."
I already knew I shouldn't go there.
And you were feeling part of a whole, right?
- You were not there as an individual. - Part of a whole. A whole.
It was very ...
in the physical sense ... it was very accurate, I was very sure about everything that I was going through.
It is a whole.
I felt connected to my grandmother, who was beside me ...
just as I was connected to my mother, who was here ...
just as I was connected to my friends, my relatives, to people I didn't know,
to people who are on the other side of this planet and to people who are in others ...
just as I was connected to people who were being cared, there ...
just as others I didn't see and who were there in that little space ...
of the Park ... where I walked around ...
they were there, as people who ...
who had just been through the same experience as I had,
but they would not come back, they were going to stay there ...
they were being cared for ...
We are talking of billions and billions and billions and billions of sensations and experiences being shared ...
instantaneously, simultaneously, there.
If you are there ...
as there is no boundaries for information, say so ...
although there is the idea of levels...
you have the total certainty that there is an evolution there ...
There is a hierarchy?
Yes, there is a hierarchy there.
Surely ... surely ...
It came to me ...
an idea of ... "now what?"
Just as you are connected to the billions and billions that are here,
you also have the idea of the whole humanity, as a collective ...
We are a group, aren't we?
We have our likeness, it is no accident that we are all here,
six, seven billion here on this planet ...
living together at this moment, nothing is by chance, everything is ...
everything is planned.
It is no coincidence that my grandmother was my grandmother, that she was there,
that we're here right now talking about ...
When I was told, "return and tell",
I believe that...
I believe the idea is not "awaken in people this aspect" ...
because I don't believe this ... happens.
But I think it's for us to start widening this vision that we have.
That we need to have.
The vision of this restricted little world, in which people say: "when it is over, it is over".
This restricted world where you hear ...
"Live your life intensely because, after all, we only live once ..."
I'm not saying that we live more than once.
but I am saying that we do not live here.
We are here but we do not live here.
I think that....
I think that we... I think we come back here a few times, yeah.
A few times ... I think so.
Lucas...
some people who went through a Near-Death Experience ...
report that at the time of the experience ...
they had at least some glimpse,
flashes of future events.
Do you think in your experience that sort of thing happened?
Wow.
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