Q: thin line between imagination and perception.. there were times , when one could actually
pick up a lot of information about things around us .like the energy.. and
sometimes ,it was like, is it my fear or is it everybody else's fear ,the
collective consciousness. what validates that within me .that is it
me?? is it imagination ? is it perception?
Sadhguru: see there are five dimensions of receptivity in the human being .or five
major points of receptivity in the human brain itself .these five dimensions are
referred to, as centers of sleep, centers of imagination, centers of memory, centers
of right perception, centers of perversion .everything that comes to you,
how you perceive it, depends on through which Center, you took it in. you will see
if you have two children at home, same genetics ,same food, probably went to the
same school. one goes like this, another goes like this. you can't figure ,how did
these two people come from the same father and mother? because it is the way
they perceive it ,from where they receive it ,same things if you received from
different dimensions, it becomes different things within you. this is the
reason, why this may look like a little thing ,but I'm telling you ,this is the
reason why forever, they've been stressing on a live guru..
because, when you walk a terrain, that you're not familiar with, it's best to
have a guide ,who's walked a terrain .see every year, I track in Tibet and
Nepal .this Sherpa ,who walks with me. he is illiterate .he doesn't know anything.
spirituality ,nothing, but we're going in the mountains. there are two pathways. he
just says: mm. I just go behind him. if I think I'm much smarter, than him ..and I
say no, like this I will go, maybe that's my last day. you understand.. in the
mountains he is the boss. he knows the terrain ,he's lived there ,he's grown up
there, he has a certain sense. with all my education, I have a sense of direction,
I'm an aviator, I have a certain sense of direction, I know the mathematics, I know
the geometry of it,everything ..but still, when I'm in the mountains,
if he says hmm, I go this way. he doesn't even care to tell me : Sadhguru come this
way , He just says Hmm, I just follow him. it's
sensible to do that. when you're walking
in unfamiliar terrain, that's the best thing to do.
Arnab: thank you
Sadhguru: fundamentally, in the sociaty
there is no such thing, as discrimination .there
are more Devi temples in the country,
than anything else. every village has it. but, certain temples
have taken this position. mainly hill temples. this as I said, because of a
certain reason in the past .it has to change now .no question about that.
but, if there are occult temples ,even if they allow you, I please beg the woman,
please don't go there.. by law, if you are allowed, by norm if
you're allowed ,still you should not go there. if you have any sense. so my
question is to both Sadhguru as well as Arnab.. what's your view on our leader
Prime Minister? and I would like to ask both of you
Sadhguru ji, if you are the Prime Minister tomorrow,
what is one change, which you would like to bring in our country?
Sadhguru: well I am not
planning to get into the Parliament either.. about ..my opinion about a leader..
see.. I'm not a member of any political party, nor am i a fan of any political
leader ,nor am i a fan of any political leader.. but, I have to say this ..I am
politically conscious maybe for the last nearly 50 years now.. I've been reading
newspapers for 50 years, so, in this I find ..now it looks like ..we have the most
determined leadership ever, are they right are they wrong? it's not for me to
take a call wether they're right or wrong. at least India is topmost on their
mind. this is very heartening for me ..and because I have been in certain
situations, with variety of political leaders in the past, it always scared me,
that for 24 hours if you are with them, they don't have one single thought on
their mind, today what they can do for this country , sitting in such a
responsible position. which, kind of, you know really shook me.. how is it
somebody ,that is heading a nation ,with such a huge population and a million
problems, doesn't think today ,what can be done .at least today you have a
leadership, where nation is on the top most in their mind.
but, do we have to agree with everything that they do- not necessarily . can we
disagree with them? 100%, we can, if what is being done is not right for the
country, or not spoke about this prior today morning, also where I was
telling them, nation is an idea. without bringing pride and emotion towards that,
you are not going to make it happen. this is a crime, we have committed. in 1947,
when there was a euphoria of emotion and thing for the nation, people are willing
to die for it ,that was the time to enshrine the nation in everybody's
hearts. we did not do that. we had fanciful ideas and we kind of.. we
did not know what to do probably ..in retrospect, in post-mortem we can
say many things.. we don't know what was their mindset and what was happening..
whatever.. they lost control over that, they lost that opportunity .whenever
there is strife in a nation, that is the time, when you can once again reshape a
country. when people are comfortable, unfortunately most people will not be
conscious . we have to build a humanity, which will be in at most comfort and
still conscious. that is when we really build a good nation. but , still we are in
a place, where unless we are in a strife we are not conscious of the larger
well-being of what needs to happen. so, in many ways, today even if there is no real
strife on the street, there is strife .Arnab is going to be active in
two months.. small issues, when I say small, I am NOT saying small insignificant, I am
saying small in size.. see.. a child falls into your tube well, it is small in size,
but not small in significance ..our life is a life.. ok? if it is my life its
significant, so it is the same way it's significant for everybody's life .it may
be small in size , but it is significant for what it is ..so ,like this
there are a thousand issues in the country and for the first time we have
mediums, through which all these issues can enter everybody's heads.. and
everybody can think about it. so ,there is strife, there is going to be strife in
this country, when I say strife ,don't think something has to happen on the
street. no, it needs to happen.. strife needs to happen in people's
hearts and minds. so, that is anyway going to happen. when ,this is happening ,this is
the time, to build that sense of pride. but pride should not become prejudice.
it's very important. to build the pride in who we are and not developing
prejudice against those ,who we think are not part of us.. this is a very subtle
process .which needs to be done.. is there some ideal way of doing it? no .we
will have to mess around with it. it is.. that's the only way it will happen, but
we are ..a new generation is coming. young people ,whose thought process ,whose way
of looking at life has changed in many ways. today for the first time in the
history of humanity, more human beings are able to think for themselves ,than
ever before. whether the thinking right or wrong is not the debate, but they're
thinking .at one time a scripture would think for you, a guru would think for you
an elder would think for you .one man in the village would think for you. today
everybody is beginning, to think for themselves. once this happens, people will
become in such a way, unless something is logically correct, they cannot swallow it.
if you make them swallow it ,they cannot digest it .this will happen. right now you
are still a generation ,who still willing to acknowledge an authority and try to
digest something, which is not logically correct .but your children will be such..
even, if God comes and speaks ,if he doesn't make sense to them, they will
reject it . we're are just on the verge of that. so, this is a time ..this is
a good time, because now we are moving to a place ,where
only truth can be the authority. Authority cannot be the truth anymore.
doesn't matter, where the authority is coming from. this evolution is anyway
going to happen in the next.. in my estimate, I am saying, somewhere between
next 20 to 40 years time .all the heavens will collapse .when, I say heavens will
collapse, do you know what's in heaven? you must know, in Hindu heaven the
food is very good. if you're a foodie, that's where you must
go.. Himself cooks for you .the best chef. in another place, there are
those white ground ladies , who float around, legless ladies, who float around
in the clouds. if you like that kind of ambience, you go there. in another place
you will encounter virgin problems. if you like that, you can go there .but what
do you have to do to get there ? this happened in Alabama.. you've heard of Alabama?
it's a special state in America. in a Sunday school ,a Sunday school teacher
was going on full fire and in his rhetoric he asked: what do you have
to do, to go to heaven? little Mary ,who was sitting in the front
row, said : if I scrub the church floor every Sunday ,I will go to heaven ..he said
absolutely.. another little girl stood up and said: if I share 50% of my pocket
money, with the less privileged friend, I will go to heaven ..correct. another little
boy said ,if I help other people, I will go to heaven. correct. little Tommy, in the
back bench stood up and said :You gotta die first..
that's a qualification. you got to die first .when you die ,depending upon what
culture you are, we will either burn you, bury you or cut you and throw you to the
birds. one thing is ,if you have not done anything
eco-friendly, I am assuring you, at least when you die, we will do something
eco-friendly about you. we will put you back to earth. it's a very good thing to
do. if you take this body and go away somewhere ,this is the worst thing to do,
because you're taking away the topsoil. so, you will leave your body here and
go to heaven .you went to heaven without a body. what are you going to do with
good food and virgins? this is what I want to know.. when you don't have a body.
so, I am saying heavens will collapse.
once people start asking logical questions, heavens will collapse .when
heavens collapse, we have managed humanity for a long time, telling them
doesn't matter ,your suffering here, God is looking at everything, your suffering..
one day he will reward you up there .with this we have been managing humanity .so,
this will not work .when this doesn't work ,what will people do ? one big thing
that will happen is ,we will move towards chemicals. to be peaceful ,we already need
chemicals, to be joyful, we need chemicals, to be helthfull we need
chemicals .70% of the United States population is on prescription medication.
the other 30% of course buying it off the backstreets. just see, in the
last 25 years, how many more people are consuming alcohol? how many more people
are consuming drugs on this planet? it's gone up 10,000 percent. this is simply
because in their minds heaven is collapsing. you must
understand this , that somewhere else it will be good, is going away. they want to
have it good here. unless you teach tham, unless you teach them,
how to simply sit here and be blissed out about your existence itself, the
very life within you, is an ecstatic process .if you don't teach them this ,90
percent will move towards drugs and alcohol in a huge way, in the next 25 to
30 years. this is not a moral issue for me. I have no moral judgment on that. it
is just that , as a generation of people, we must understand, we hold this space on
the planet just for a brief period of time. there are two fundamental
responsibilities : one is- we must leave the world a little better than the way
it was given to us, by the previous generation. this we cannot do.
if we do all the right things from today, it will take another 150 to 200 years ,to
turn back the damage, we have already caused. so, no way we can leave the world
better than the way it was , when we came in .so, in that responsibility we can't
fulfill .we can start the process now. that's all.
the next important responsibility, we have as a generation is, the next
generation, that we produce, must be at least one notch better, than us. but if
90% of humanity is on some kind of chemicals, believe me, genetically we will
produce a generation, which is less than us .this is a crime against humanity. so,
one important aspect ,that every nation has to take care of, including ours is-
that we must teach people, how to know well-being within themselves.
unfortunately right now, we think, if you give money ,or food or medicine ,it is
service .if I teach you, how to live joyfully, it is not service .
in this country.. the most important thing in the ancient India was, you know
how to be within you.. this was the most respected thing. because ,we know what
will come out of this. when you have no concerns of fear ,when you have no fear
of suffering, that is when you will walk your life full stride. that is when great
human beings are produced .if we want to produce a great nation,
nation, society ,these are just words. there are only individual human beings.
only ,if we produce great human beings, will there be a great society and a
great nation and a great world.
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