welcome back to Ted great to have you
here by showing so in the next half hour
or so we're gonna spend some time
exploring your vision for what an
exciting future might look like which I
guess makes the first question a little
ironic why are you boring yeah ask
myself that frequently the we're trying
to dig a hole under la and this is to
create the beginning of what will
hopefully be a 3d network of tunnels to
alleviate congestion so I mean right now
make one almost soul-destroying things
is traffic it affects people in every
part of the world
it takes away so much of your life and
your that this it's horrible it's
particularly horrible in LA and and I
think you brought with you the first
visualization that's been shown of this
coming again I show this yeah absolutely
so this is the first time yeah we've
just to sort of show what we're talking
about so that they complicate things
that are important in having three
detail Network first of all you have to
be able to integrate the entrance and
exit of the tunnel seamlessly into the
fabric of the city so by having a and an
elevator sort of the car skate that's on
on an elevator you can integrate the
entrance and exits to the tunnel network
just by using two parking spaces and
then the car gets on a skate there's no
speed limits here so we're designing
this to be able to operated 200 km YZ an
hour about a hundred and thirty two
hundred kilometres an hour or about 130
miles per hour so you should be able to
get from say Westwood to LAX in six
minutes
five six minutes
so probably initially done it's like on
a sort of toll road type basis yeah
which I guess alleviates some traffic
from the surface streets as well so I
think other people notice in the video
but there's no real limit to how many
levels of tunnel you can have you can go
much further deep then you can go up the
deepest minds are much deeper than the
tallest buildings are tall so you can
leave e8 any arbitrary level of urban
congestion with it with the 3d tunnel
network this is a very important point
so a key rebuttal to the time tunnels is
that if you add one layer of tunnels
then that will simply alleviate
congestion or get used up and and then
you'll be back where you started back
with congestion but you can go to any
arbitrary number of tunnels any number
of levels but people seem tradition it's
incredibly expensive to dig and that
would block this idea yeah well they're
there right to give an example the LA
subway extension which is I think it's a
two and a half mile extension that was
just completed for two billion dollars
so it's roughly a billion dollars a mile
to do the subway extension in LA and
this is not the highest utility subway
in the world so yeah it's quite
difficult to dig tunnels normally I
think we need to have at least a tenfold
improvement in the cost per mile of
tunneling and how did you achieve that I
guess I actually if you just do two
things you can get to approximately an
order of magnitude improvement analysis
you can go beyond that so the first
thing to do is to cut the tunnel tunnel
diameter of it by a factor of two or
more so a single road lane tunnel would
connect great glaciers has to be 26 feet
maybe 28 feet in diameter to allow for
crashes and emergency vehicles and
sufficient ventilation for a combustion
engine cars but if you shrink that
diameter to what we're attempting which
is 12 feet which is plenty to get an
electric skate through you drop the
diameter by a factor of 2 and the
sectional area by a factor of four so
and the telling cost scales with the
cross-sectional area so that's roughly a
half order of magnitude improvement
right there then telling machines
currently tunnel for half the time then
they stop and then the rest of the time
is putting in reinforcement for the
tunnel wall so if you have a designer
machine instead to do continuous
tunneling and reinforcing that will give
you a factor of two improvements
combined that and a factor of eight also
these machines are far from at being at
their power or thermal limit so you can
jack up the power to the machine
substantially I think you can get at
least a factor to maybe a factor of four
or five improvements on that on top of
that so I think there's been a fairly
straightforward series of steps to get
somewhere in excess an order of
magnitude improvement in a classroom
I'll and our target actually is we've
got a pet snail called Gary who's from
Gary the snail from South Park I don't
mean it sorry I'm fun for SpongeBob
SquarePants
okay so - Gary is capable a currently
capable of going 14 times faster than a
tunnel boring machine okay you would it
be carried we want to beat Gary he's not
a patient little fellow and we want the
two that will be victory victory is
beating the snail but a lot of people
imagining dreaming about future cities
they imagine that the actually the
solution is is supplying cars drones etc
you take you go above ground why isn't
that a better solution you save all that
tunneling cost right I in favor of
flying things I also do rockets so am I
like things that fly this is not some
inherent bias against flying things but
there is a challenge of flying cars in
that they will be quite noisy
the wind force generated will be very
high
they the let's just say that it's
something's flying over your head it's a
whole bunch of flying cars going all
over the place that is not an exciting
and X I
d reducing situation you don't think to
myself well I feel better about today
you're thinking like did they service
their hubcap or it's going to come up
and guillotine me and decline it hurt
and so say of the vision and future
cities with these rich 3d networks of
tunnels underneath is there a time here
with with Hyperloop could you apply
these channels to use for this Hyperloop
idea you had you raised a few years ago
yeah so now we've been sort of puttering
around the Hyperloop stuff for for a
while we built a Hyperloop test track
adjacent to SpaceX just for a student
competition to encourage innovative
ideas and transport and actually ends up
being the the biggest vacuum chamber in
the world after the Large Hadron
Collider
bye-bye volume so so it's sort of quite
quite fun to do that there's kind of a
hobby thing and and then we think we
might so we developed a little pusher
card to push these the student pods but
we're going to try seeing how fast we
can make the pusher go if you start
pushing something so I mean of course is
the optimist like we'll be able to be
faster than a the world's fastest bullet
train even in a point eight mile stretch
whoa good brakes yeah I mean it's yeah
if you're going to smash into tiny
pieces or but you could you could go to
pictures and heighten leap in a tunnel
yeah running quite quite long distances
exactly so is it looking telling
technology turns out that in order to
make a tunnel you have to in order to
seal against the water table you've got
a typically design a tunnel wall to be a
good to about five or six atmospheres so
to go to vacuum is only one atmosphere
or near vacuum
so I actually it's what it turns out
that automatically if you build a tunnel
that is good enough to resist the water
table is automatically capable of
holding vacuum huh so yeah and so you
can actually picture it's like like what
kind of length tunnel view is in Elon
future to running Hyperloop
yeah I think there's no there's no real
length limit you could you could you
could do as much as you want
I think the like if you were to do
something like a DC to New York
Hyperloop I think you probably want to
go underground the entire way because
it's a high density area that there's
going to be going under a lot of
buildings and houses and if you go deep
enough you cannot detect the tunnel this
is sometimes people think well it's
going to be pretty annoying to have a
tunnel dug under my house but if that
tunnel is dug more than about three or
four tunnel diameters beneath your house
you will not be able to detect it being
dug at all but effectively if you if
you're able to detect the tunnel being
being dug you whatever device you're
using you can get a lot of money for
that device from the Israeli military
who is trying to detect tunnels from
Hamas and from the US customs Border
Patrol they're trying to detect drug
tunnels so if you the reality is that
earth is incredibly good at absorbing
vibrations and once the tunnel depth is
below certain level it is undetectable
it maybe have a very sensitive seismic
instrument you might be able to detect
it so you've started a new company to do
this called the boring company very nice
very very funny um but haha it's funny
how how much of your time is this it's
it's maybe two or three percent if
you've bought it a hobby this is this is
what an Elon Musk hobby looks like I
mean it really is like we actually you
know this is basically interns and
people doing a part time so this is a I
think like we bought you know
mr. some secondhand machinery and it
just it's kind of puttering along but
it's making good progress so so even
bigger particle time is being spent on
on electrifying cars and transport
through Tesla is one of the motivations
for that for the tunneling project the
realization that actually in a world
where cars are electric and weather and
where they're self-driving that may end
up being more cars on the roads on any
given hour and there are now yeah but
exactly the a lot of people think that
once when you make cause autonomous that
they'll be able to go faster and that
will alleviate congestion and to some
degree that will be true but once you
have shared autonomy where it's much
cheaper to go by car and you can go
point-to-point the affordability of of
going in a car will be will be better
than that of a bus like every customers
and bus ticket so the amount of driving
that will occur will be much greater
with the share autonomy and actually
traffic will get far worse I mean you
started testing with it with the goal of
persuading the world to that
electrification was the future of cars
and a fuse ago people were laughing at
you
now not so much I mean okay well I mean
I don't know I don't know maybe some
business isn't it true that pretty much
every auto manufacturer has announced
serious electrification plans for the
short to medium term future yeah yeah
the I think almost every automaker has
has some electric vehicle program they
vary in seriousness somewhat some are
very serious about transitioning
entirely to electric and some are just
dabbling in it and some amazingly are
still pursuing
fuel cells but I think that works out
much longer isn't there a sense though
you know my you could now just declare
victory and say you know we did it let
let let the world electrifying you go on
and focus on other stuff yeah
I hope I can to stay with Tesla as as
part of users I can imagine and there
are a lot of exciting things that we're
coming I've got obviously Moultrie is
coming soon we'll be unveiling the Tesla
semi-truck and okay we're gonna connect
onto this so it goes to model three so
it's coming supposed to be coming in
July ish yeah it's looking quite good
for starting production in July yeah Wow
one of the things that people are so
excited about is is the fact that it's
got autopilot and you you put out this
video a while back showing what that
what that technology look like or would
look like yeah there's other fees auto
pilot in Model S right now yeah what are
we thinking yeah so this is using only
cameras and a GPS so there's no lidar or
radar being used here this is just using
passive optical which is essentially
what a person uses the whole road system
is meant to be navigated with passive
optical or cameras and so once you solve
cameras vision then autonomy is solved
if you don't solve vision it's not
solved so that that's why our focus is
so heavily on having a vision neural net
that's very effective for road
conditions right many other people are
going to lidar you want cameras close to
radar is is most of it you can
absolutely be superhuman with just
cameras like you could probably do ten
times better than humans with just just
cameras so the new cars being sold right
now have about eight eight cameras in
them that yeah that they can't yet do
what that shows when will they be able
to I think the we're still on track for
being able to go cross-country from LA
to New York by the end of the year fully
autonomous and so a cut by the end of
the year you're saying yeah someone's
going to sit in a Tesla without touching
the steering wheel tap in New York off
it goes yeah
won't have to ever touch the wheel by
the end of 2017 yeah essentially
November or December this year we should
be able to go from yes all the way from
a parking lot in California to a parking
lot in New York no controls touched at
any point during the entire journey and
mezack part of that is possible because
you've already got a plate of Tesla's
driving all these rails you're
accumulating a huge amount of data of
that National Road system yes but the
thing that would be interesting is that
I am actually fairly confident it will
be able to do that route even if you
change the route dynamically so I guess
it's fairly easy it works if you say I'm
going to be really good at one specific
route that's one thing, but I it should
be able to go really be very good
suddenly once you answer a highway to go
anywhere on the highway system in a
given country it so it's not like this
what sort of limited to LA New York
which we could change and make it
Seattle Florida hmm set that day or you
know in real time so you were going from
LA to New York now go from LA to Toronto
so leaving aside regulation for a second
that in terms of the technology alone at
the time when someone will be able to
buy one of your cars and literally just
take the hands up the wheel and go to
sleep and wake up and find that they've
arrived how far away is that to do that
I think that's what that's about two
years but that's the real trick of it is
not you know how do you make it work say
99.9% of the time because like if a car
crashes say one in a thousand times then
you're probably so lot going to be
comfortable falling asleep that's you
know you shouldn't be certainly it's you
should but it but it's it's not going to
be it's never going to be perfect no
system is going to be perfect but you
say it's perhaps it's
if the cow is unlikely to crash in a
hundred lifetimes or a thousand
lifetimes then you're like okay Wow
I mean if I would live a thousand lives
I would still most likely never
experience a crash then that's probably
okay to see maybe I got two big concerns
that people may actually get seduced too
early the things that this is say yeah
and then you'll have some horrible
incident happen that which then puts
things back well I think that the
autonomy system is likely to at least
mitigate the thick of the crash except
in rare circumstances but the things we
appreciate about vehicle safety is this
is this is probabilistic so that there's
there's some chance that any time the
human driver gets in the car that they
will have an accident that is their
fault hmm it's never zero and so that
really is the key threshold for autonomy
is how much better is autonomy need to
be there a person before you can rely on
it who once you get that hand literally
safe hands off driving the power to
disrupt the whole industry seems massive
because at that point you've spoken of
people being able to buy a car drops you
off your work and then you let it go and
and provide us that a little bit like
service to other people earn you money
maybe even cover the cost of your lease
of that car because you can kind of get
a car for free is that is that really
likely yes absolutely this is what will
happen so there will be a shared or
autonomy fleet where you buy your car
and you can choose to use that car
exclusively you could choose to have it
be used only by friends and family only
by a five-star other drivers who are
rated five-star you can choose to share
it sometimes but not other times that's
that's that's one harbor cent what will
occur it's just a question of wine Wow
so um you mentioned the semi and I think
you're planning to announce that in
September but I'm curious whether
there's anything you could show us today
I will show you a teaser shot of the
Bliss of the tribe a shot
it's live okay no I definitely a kiss we
want to be cautious about the autonomy
features yeah good luck that just we
can't see that much it doesn't look like
just a little friendly neighborhood
truck and it's kind of badass how what
sort of what sort of semi is this so
this is a heavy-duty long-range semi
truck so it's like the highest weight
capability and and with long range so
essentially it's meant to levy eight the
heavy duty trucking loads and this is
something which people do not today
think it's possible to think the truck
doesn't have enough power or it doesn't
have enough range and then with this
with the Tesla semi we want to show that
no an electric truck actually can ask
torque any diesel semi and it was Pope
if you had a tug of war competition the
like the Tesla semi will tug the the
diesel semi uphill okay that's pretty
good short-term these aren't drivers
these these are going to be drugs that
truck drivers want to drive yes no so
what we really thought about this is you
don't have you have a flat talk rpm
curve with an electric motor whereas
with a diesel motor or any kind of
expression engine car you've got torque
off the em could it looks like a hill so
this will be a very spry truck you could
drive us around like a sports car
there's no gears it's like single speed
so this is a great movie to be made you
have someone I don't know what it is and
I don't know if it ends well but it was
a great bike
alright it's quite bizarre test driving
the lipids you know when I was driving
the the test prototype for the post
truck it's really weird because you're
driving around and you're just you're so
nimble and you're in this giant truck
like you've you've already driven away a
prototype that I drove it around the
parking lot I was like this is crazy
Wow
this is no better lens like wow driving
this giant truck and sort of making
these Mad maneuvers it's cool okay from
a really badass picture so it kind of
left that ass picture this is just a
cute house from Desperate Housewives or
something whatever what on earth is
going on here
well this illustrates the picture of the
future that I think it is how how things
will evolve
you've got electric car in the driveway
if you look in between the electric car
and the house there are actually three
power walls I stacked up against the
side of the house and then that that
house roof is a solar roof so that's an
actual solar glass roof okay so those
but nothing like a real that's it well
it really it's a real fake house that
that's a real fake house okay so these
roof tiles some of them have in them
yeah basically solar power the ability
to yeah sort of smell gas tiles where
you can you you can adjust the texture
and the color a very fine-grained level
and then there's sort of micro louvers
in in the glass such that when you're
looking at the roof from street level or
close to street level
all the tiles look tiles look the same
whether there is a solar panel behind it
or solar cell behind it or not so you
have an even even color from from the
ground level if you would look at it
from a helicopter you actually able to
look through and see that some of the
glass tiles have a solar cell behind
them and some do not right you put them
in the lobbies other like we'd see it a
lot of Sun yes and that makes these
really super affordable right they're
not that much more expensive then not
just tiling the risk yeah
we're very confident that the cost of
the roof plus the cost of electricity
over the a solar glass roof will be less
than the cost of normal roof plus the
cost of electricity so this will be
economically a no-brainer it will look
we think will look great and will
asked we thought about like having the
the warranty be infinity but then people
that well that might sound like we were
just talking rubbish but actually the
like the this was like this is top and
glass like well after the house has
collapsed and it is nothing there the
roof will hot type the glass tiles will
still be there okay I think I'm gonna go
cool
yes you're running this out in a couple
weeks time I think with for like four
different roofing types yeah we're
starting off with two two initially and
the second two will be introduced early
next year what's the scale of ambition
here how how many houses do you believe
could end up having this type of roofing
I mean I think eventually I think
eventually almost all houses will have a
solar roof now that the thing is to
consider the time scale here to be
probably on the order of 40 or 50 years
it's a on average a roof is replaced
every 20 to 25 years so but you don't
you don't start replacing all roofs
immediately but eventually if you say we
would have passed forward to say 15
years from now it will be unusual to
have a roof that does not have solar is
there a mental model thing that people
don't get here that that that is because
of the shifts in the costing economics
of Celle part of it like most houses
actually have enough sunlight on their
is pretty much to power all of their
needs if you could catch the power
yeah it could pretty much power all
their needs right you could go up great
camera yeah it depends on where you are
and what the house size is relative to
the roof area but yeah it's a fair
statement to say that most houses in the
US have enough roof area to power Olba
needs the house okay so the the key to
the economics of the cars the semi of
these houses is the the falling price of
lithium ion batteries which you've made
a huge bet on as so many ways that's
what's the core common
and you've decided to really like own
that competency you just have to build
the world's largest manufacturing part
cuz I'd double the world supply of
lithium-ion battery yeah is with this
guy and what is this yes sir that's a
Giga factory the progress so far in a
Giga Factory
eventually you can sort of roughly see
that there's there's sort of a diamond
shape overall and when it's fully done
it'll be it'll look like a giant diamond
well that's the idea behind it and so
lined on True North is a small detail
but I'm incapable of previously like a
hundred it eventually like 100 giggle
hours of their batteries a year and Rigo
going on so we think probably more but
yeah and they're actually being produced
right now already here right as you guys
put up this video yeah I mean it's up
speed it up or that's that's the slowed
down version that yeah how fast does it
actually go well when it's running at
full speed you can't actually see the
cells without a strobe light they just
work and help I mean one of your one of
your core ideas you know about about
what makes exciting future is a future
where we no longer feel guilty about
energy how help us picture this I mean
how many Giga factories if you like does
it take to get us there it's about 100
roughly it's not 10s not a thousand most
likely 100 yeah I kind of find this
amazing like you could actually picture
if that's right you can picture what it
would take to move the world off this
vast fossil fuel thing it's like you're
building one cost five billion dollars
maybe the next one or whatever make five
to ten billion dollars like it's it's
kind of cool that you can picture that
that project you're planning to do a
test or at least another to announce
another two this year I think and what
will announce locations for somewhere
between two and four Giga factories
later this year yeah probably four whoa
okay keep me
a partner Clark please keep no more
teasing from you for here like we're
continent and you can say no we need to
address a global market yeah okay I just
cool
I think we should talk for actually
double market so I'm I have to ask you
one quick an Aussie one question about
politics only one I'm kind of sick
apologize but I didn't to ask you this
you're you're on a body now giving
advice to a guy who has said he doesn't
really believe in climate change and
there's a lot of people out there who
kind of think you shouldn't be doing
that they'd like you to walk away from
that what would you say to them well I
think that there's very personal I'm
just on two advisory councils where the
format consists of going around the room
and asking people's opinion on things
and so there's like a meeting every
month or two you know that's a sum total
of my contribution writing to agree that
there are people in the room who arguing
in favor of doing something about
climate change or you know others you
know social issues you know I never used
that the meetings I've had thus far to
argue in favor of immigration and in
favor of climate change and if if I
hadn't done that there wouldn't that
wasn't on the agenda before so maybe
nothing will happen but at least the
words were said okay
so let's let's talk SpaceX and Mars last
time you were here you spoke about this
what seemed like a kind of incredibly
ambitious story in to develop rockets
are actually reusable and you've only
gone and done it
so how many talk us finally talk us
through this what are we looking at here
yes sir this is a one of our rocket
boosters coming back from very very high
very high and fast in space so just
delivered the the upper stage at high
velocity I think it's may have been Mach
7 or so delivery of the of the Apple
stage okay so that was some stuff to set
out that's a slowed down person that was
a little bit but I mean that's amazing
you and several of these failed before
you finally figured out yeah how'd it
get to do it but now you've landed
you've done this what five or six times
I think we're eight eight or nine
anything yeah and for the first time
you've actually flown one of the yeah
rockets and landed so landed the air
when out of the rocket booster and then
perhaps applied again into it again so
it's the first reef light of of an
orbital booster where that reef light is
relevant so is one to appreciate that
reusability is only relevant if it is
rapid rapid and complete right so like
an aircraft or a car the reusability is
rapid and complete you do not send your
aircraft into to Boeing in between its
lights right so this is long it's a
dream of this this really ambitious idea
of sending many many many people to Mars
and what in 10 or 20 years 20 years time
I guess yeah and the next thing is and
you've designed this outrageous rocket
to do it help us understand the scale of
this thing
well visually you can see that some
person
yeah that's the vehicle so if that was
just a skyscraper that's like a 42 very
like 40 stories yeah literally a little
more here the yeah the thrush level this
is really this configuration is about
four times the thrust of us of the
Saturn five moon rocket all the times
the thrust of the biggest rocket
humanity ever created before yeah yeah I
mean in as one does yeah I mean units of
747 747 is only about a quarter quarter
million pounds of thrust so that that's
so there are probably 10 million pounds
of thrust this 47 47 so this which would
be the thrust equivalent of 100 and 120
747s with all engines blazing and so
even even with a machine designed to
escape Earth's gravity I think you
totally lost
this thing's actually take a fully
loaded 747 people cargo everything into
into into orbit exactly the system takes
a fully loaded 747 with with maximum
fuel maximum passengers maximum cargo on
the 747 this can take it as cargo so
it's so based on this you you presented
recently this interplanetary transport
system which is visualized this way and
this is a new picture what'n in I mean
that he is time 20th time I people
walking into this this rocket and I'm
hopeful it's sort of in the 8 8 to 10
year time frame aspirationally that's
our target our internal targets are more
aggressive but I think
yeah okay so the thing vehicle seems
quite large and is large by comparison
with other rockets I think the future
spacecraft will be will make this look
like a rowboat I mean this is the future
spacious will be truly enormous what ye
long because this because like why do we
need to build a city on Mars
with a million people on it in your
lifetime which i think is kind of what
you said you'd love to do yeah I think
it's important to have a future that is
inspiring and appealing
I just think that there like there have
to be reasons that you get up in the
morning and you want to live like why do
you want to live what's the point what
inspires you what do you love about the
future and if we're not out there if the
future is not include being out there
among the stars and being a multi-planet
species I find that it's incredibly
depressing if that's not the future that
we're going to have people people what's
position is there's an either/or that
there are so there are so many desperate
things happening on the planet now from
climate to poverty to you know you pick
you pick your issue and and and this
feels like a distraction you're you
shouldn't be thinking about this you
should be solving what's what's here now
and to be fair you've done a fair bit to
actually do that with with your you know
work work on sustainable energy but why
not just do that what I think there's
look at the future from the standpoint
of the probabilities it's like it's like
a branching stream of probabilities and
there are actions that we can take that
affect those probabilities or that
accelerate one thing or slowdown another
thing I make you know introduce
something new to the probability stream
the sustainable energy will happen no
matter what if there was no Tesla to
tell them it never existed it would have
to happen out of necessity its total
article if you until you if you don't
have sustainable energy means you have
unsustainable energy eventually you'll
run out and the the laws of economics
will drive drive civilization towards
sustainable energy inevitably but that
the fundamental value of a coming like
Tesla is the degree to which it
accelerates the advent of sustainable
energy faster than it would otherwise
occur so what I think like what is the
departmental goat of coming like Tesla I
would say hopefully it is if it if it
accelerated that by a decade potentially
more than a decade that would be quite a
good thing to occur that's what I
consider to be the fundamental sort of
aspirational good of Tesla
then there's becoming a multi-planet
species and spacefaring civilization
this is not inevitable it's very
important to appreciate this is not
inevitable the sustainable energy future
I think is largely inevitable but being
spacefaring civilization is definitely
not inevitable if you look at at the
progress and space in 1969 were able to
send somebody to the moon 1969 hmm then
we had the space shuttle that the space
shuttle could only take people to
low-earth orbit then a space shuttle
retired and the United States could take
no one to over it but so that's the
trend it's right it's like down to
nothing this is not a mistake in what
when they think that technology just
automatically improves it does not
automatically improve
it only improves if a lot of people work
very hard to make it better and actually
it will I think it by itself degrade
actually you look at great civilizations
like ancient Egypt and they're able to
make the permits and they forgot how to
do that and in the Romans they built
these incredible aqueducts they forgot
how to do it you know it always seems
you know listening to you look at the
different things you've done that you've
got this this unique double motivation
on everything I find so interesting we
you know which is what one is this
desire to work for humanity's long too
good the other is this desire to do
something exciting and it's it's often
it feels like you you feel like you need
the one to drive the other with with
Tesla you want to have sustainable
energy so you make these super accept
sexy exciting cars to do it you know
solar energy we need to get there so we
need to make these beautiful roofs we
haven't even spoken about your newest
thing which we'd only have time to do
but you want to save humanity from bad
AI and so you're going to create this
really cool brain machine interface to
give us all infinite memory and
telepathy and so forth and on a Mars it
feels like what you're saying is yeah we
need we need to save humanity and have a
back-up plan but also we need to inspire
humanity and and and and and this is
this is a way to inspire I think I think
the the value of your inspiration is
very much underrated no question but I
want to be clear I like I'm not trying
to be anyone favor that is not the wait
I just try to think about the future and
not be sad beautiful statement
I think everyone here would agree that
it is not none of this is going to
happen inevitably the fact that in your
mind you dream this stuff you dream
stuff that no one else would would dare
dream or no one else would be capable of
dreaming at the level of complexity yeah
you do the fact you do that you know
mask is a really remarkable thing thank
you for helping us all to dream of
vinegar but you'll tell me if it ever
starts getting genuinely insane I get
those really really fantastic those
really think okay
you
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