HIS VERY OWN SON-IN-LAW JARED KUSHNER.
THE LATEST BOMBSHELL COMES FROM THE "WASHINGTON POST" WHICH
REPORTED LAST FRIDAY IN A SECRET MEETING INSIDE TRUMP TOWER IN
NEW YORK AT TRUMP TOWER, JARED KUSHNER AND RUSSIA'S AMBASSADOR
TO WASHINGTON DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF SETTING UP A
SECRET AND SECURE COMMUNICATIONS CHANNEL BETWEEN TRUMP'S
TRANSITION TEAM AND THE KREMLIN USING RUSSIAN DIPLOMATIC
FACILITIES IN AN APPARENT MOVE TO SHIELD THEIR DISCUSSIONS FROM
MONITORING. REPORTS IT WAS KUSHNER WHO ASKED
FOR THE SECURE CHANNEL AND THE AMBASSADOR WAS TAKEN ABACK.
NEITHER THE WHITE HOUSE NOR KUSHNER'S ATTORNEY COMMENTED.
LOOT INTO RUSSIA'S MEDDLING IN THE ELECTION, NOT AS A SUSPECT
BUT SOURCE OF INFORMATION. INVESTIGATORS FOCUS ON MEETINGS
WITH SERGEY KISLYAK, AS WELL AS A MEETING WITH A RUSSIAN BANK
SUBJECT TO U.S. SANCTIONS. KUSHNER'S ATTORNEYS TELLS NBC
NEWS, OF COURSE, MR. KUSHNER VOLUNTEERED TO SHARE WITH
CONGRESS WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT THESE MEETINGS.
HE WILL DO THE SAME IF HE'S CONVICTED IN CONNECTION WITH ANY
OTHER INQUIRY. MEANWHILE REUTERS REPORTED ON
FRIDAY THAT KUSHNER HAD MULTIPLE UNDISCLOSED CONTACTS WITH
KISLYAK BETWEEN APRIL AND NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND THAT
FBI INVESTIGATORS ARE, QUOTE, EXAMINING WHETHER RUSSIANS
SUBJECTED TO KUSHNER OR OTHER TRUMP AIDES THAT RELAXING
ECONOMIC SANCTIONS WOULD ALLOW RUSSIAN BANKS TO OFFER FINANCING
TO PEOPLE WITH TIES TO TRUMP. KUSHNER'S ATTORNEY SAID KUSHNER
HAS NO RECOLLECTION OF THESE MEETINGS.
JOINING ME NOW NAYYERA HAQ, MR. NANTZ, FORMER CIA AGENT JACK
RICE AND FORMER FBI DOUBLE AGENT.
WOW, WOW, AND WOW. I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU,
NAYYERA, HOW NORMAL OR TYPICAL WOULD IT BE FOR SON-IN-LAW OF
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OR ANYONE IN THE
ADMINISTRATION TO NOT ONLY SET UP A BACK CHANNEL WITH FOREIGN
ADVERSARIAL COUNTRY BUT SUGGEST DOING SO IN THAT COUNTRY'S
SECURE FACILITY. >> IT IS SO BEYOND THE PALE, IT
DOES START TO BOGGLE THE MIND AND LEAD TO WHY, WHY DO ALL
THESE ACTIONS, ALL THESE MEETINGS IN SUCH QUICK ORDER
AFTER THE ELECTION F THERE WAS A GOAL TO HAVE A BETTER
RELATIONSHIP WITH RUSSIA, WHY NOT WAIT A FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS.
THE IDEA THIS WAS HAPPENING DURING TRANSITION, WITHOUT
AWARENESS OF INTEL AND DIPLOMATIC COMMUNITIES DOES
POINT TO SOMETHING UNTOWARD HAPPENING.
>> THE FACT THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR WAS TAKEN ABACK BY
THE SUGGESTION BY KUSHNER THEY ACTUALLY MEET INSIDE THE RUSSIAN
FACILITIES WHICH THE RUSSIANS ARE MONITORING AND THE U.S.
CANNOT. IT IS BIZARRE, MALCOLM, IT IS
WHAT DOES IT SAY TO YOU? >> WELL, FIRST OFF, IT'S
BIZARRE. ENING TO A CERTAIN EXTENT A LOT
OF PEOPLE CERTAINLY IN THE NEWS MEDIA I'VE HEARD OF IN THE LAST
24 HOURS ARE PULLING THEIR PUNCHES ON THIS THING.
THIS IS NOT BIZARRE, THIS IS INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS.
THERE IS NO REASON THAT ANY OF THESE COMMUNICATIONS COULD HAVE
HAPPENED, MUCH LESS 18 OF THEM. NO OTHER ADMINISTRATION IN
TRANSITION HAS EVER HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH A FOREIGN
ADVERSARY AT ALL. CERTAINLY NOT LIKE THIS ONE.
NOW, WITH REGARDS TO JARED KUSHNER'S RECOMMENDATION, PEOPLE
ARE SAYING THAT MAYBE HE WAS JUST NAIVE.
THIS ISN'T NAIVE. THIS IS A MAN WHO CAME FROM A
BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY. HE KNOWS WHAT THE MEANING OF
GOING INTO ANOTHER CORPORATION'S HEADQUARTERS AND THEN USING
THEIR SECURE COMMUNICATIONS WOULD MEAN AND HOW THAT WOULD
LOOK CERTAINLY TO THE UNITED STATES.
THERE IS A LOT MORE THAN WHY HERE, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE
QUESTION WE IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY ASK.
ANOTHER QUESTION THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED RIGHT NOW
AND HAS BEEN UNANSWERED SATISFACTORILY, WHAT DID HE
INTEND TO TRANSMIT THROUGH RUSSIAN'S SYSTEM TO COMMUNICATE
WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN? DAILY PRESIDENTIAL BRIEFING?
NUCLEAR CODES? I DON'T KNOW.
EVERYONE IN INTELLIGENCE HAS TO ASSUME THAT'S WHAT HE WAS GOING
TO DO. THERE IS NO REASON THAT ANY OF
THIS HOOF HAPPENED AND THE FBI NEEDS TO DIG INTO THIS RIGHT
NOW. >> THE FORMER CIA DIRECTOR I
DON'T KNOW BRENNAN GAVE TESTIMONY THAT I THINK IS GOING
TO WIND UP ACCORDING TO THE HISTORY BOOKS WHEN THIS BIZARRE
PERIOD IS RECOUNTED. I WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF
THAT. THIS IS THE TESTIMONY BEFORE THE
HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE ABOUT RUSSIA'S BRAZEN
INTERFERENCE IN THIS ELECTION. LET'S PLAY THAT.
>> I ENCOUNTERED AND AWARE OF INFORMATION AND INTELLIGENCE
THAT REVEALED CONTACTS AND INTERACTIONS BETWEEN RUSSIAN
OFFICIALS AND U.S. PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE OF KNOWN RUSSIAN EFFORTS
TO SUBORN SUCH INDIVIDUALS. IT RAISED QUESTIONS IN MY MIND
IF RUSSIANS WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN WITH THOSESE INDIVIDUALS.
OFTEN PEOPLE WHO GO ALONG THAT PATH DON'T REALIZE THEY ARE ON
THAT PATH UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE. >> ON THURSDAY, THE IMMEDIATE
THOUGHT IN PEOPLE'S MINDS WAS MIKE FLYNN, THINKING ABOUT
PEOPLE ALONG A TREASONOUS PLAN. MIGHT BE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
IN ORDER, "WASHINGTON POST" PIECE KUSHNER CONVEYS TO THE
RUSSIANS HE'S AWARE IT WOULD BE POLITICALLY SENSITIVE TO MEET
PUBLICLY BUT IT WAS NECESSARY FOR THE TRUMP TEAM TO BE ABLE TO
CONTINUE THEIR COMMUNICATIONS WITH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS,
RIGHT? YOU ALSO HAVE THE BANK -- THE
SANCTIONED BANK THAT'S IN THOSE MEETINGS AS WELL ACCORDING TO
THE REUTERS STORY THE RUSSIANS CONVEYED A KUSHNER THAT HAVING
THESE CONTACTS AND IMPROVING RELATIONS MIGHT MAKE IT POSSIBLE
FOR LOANS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WITHIN THE ORBIT OF
DONALD TRUMP. AND WE KNOW THAT JARED KUSHNER
HAS A BUILDING ON FIFTH AVENUE, 66 FIFTH AVENUE THAT HE'S IN
DEEP, DEEP DEBT TO, THAT HE NEEDS MONEY FOR, THAT HE'S
SOUGHT LOANS FOR. YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH
THIS JACK RICE. IT DOES FEEL LIKE THERE'S EVEN
NAIVETE HERE. >> IT'S CRIMINAL.
PEOPLE IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, PROSECUTORS STARTING
TO SHARPEN THEIR KNIVES HERE. THIS ISN'T ABOUT KUSHNER SAYING
I NEVER MET THESE GUYS, WHICH HE DID.
WAIT A SECOND. THEY WERE PHONE CALLS.
WAIT, THEY WEREN'T PHONE CALLS, THEY WERE FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS.
WAIT, THEY WEREN'T FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS, I WAS TALKING ABOUT A
BACK CHANNEL AT THE RUSSIAN EMBASSY.
LET'S THINK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE HERE.
WE'RE FINALLY AT A PLACE WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO NOT SEE LIES
BUT THIS STARTS TO SOUND LIKE THE CONSPIRACY PEOPLE IN THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY ARE PETRIFIED ABOUT.
WHAT MALCOLM SAID, IF THIS BLOWS APART, GOES TO THE PIECES, WHAT
IS IT THIS MAN WAS TRYING TO GET TO THE RUSSIANS.
WHAT IS IT THAT WAS ACTUALLY COMING OUT.
THE PROBLEM THAT WE REALLY HAVE IS THAT AMERICANS DIE AS A
RESULT OF THIS. PEOPLE, INCLUDING OUR ALLIES,
CAN DIE BECAUSE OF THIS. THIS IS WHY YOU START TO LOOK AT
THIS FROM A CRIMINAL PERSPECTIVE.
THIS IS THE REASON YOU HAVE TO START CONTEMPLATING WHY YOU
PROSECUTE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS SORT OF THING.
AS A FORMER CIA OFFICER, AGAIN, IF I WAS GOING TO RECRUIT
SOMEBODY, THE REASON KISLYAK WAS SHOCKED BY THIS, YOU NEVER WOULD
WITH A GUY IN THE EMBASSY BUT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DUG INTO.
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT.
IT'S EXTRAORDINARY. >> ONE OTHER PIECE FROM THE
REUTERS PIECE. THIS IS THE REUTERS PIECE.
KUSHNER AND FLYNN WHO WERE IN THIS MEETING TOGETHER DISCUSSED
WITH KISLYAK, KNOWN TO BE A SKY RECRUITER, THE IDEA OF CREATING
THIS BACK CHANNEL BETWEEN TRUMP AND RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR
PUTIN BYPASS DIPLOMATS AND INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, ACCORDING
TO TWO SOURCES. THE OTHER LITTLE PIECE, FBI
INVESTIGATORS ARE EXAMINING WHEN RUSSIANS SUGGESTED TO KUSHNER OR
OTHER TRUMP AIDES RELAXING ECONOMIC SANCTIONS WOULD ALLOW
BANKS TO OFFER FINANCING TO PEOPLE WITH TIES TO TRUMP.
WE GET RIGHT BACK TO THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT THAT
MAKE PEOPLE VULNERABLE TO BE RECRUITED.
NEED AND GREED. HAVE YOU SOMEBODY IN JARED
KUSHNER WHO NEEDS MONEY. HE NEEDS MONEY TO FINANCE HIS
BUILDINGS. YOU START TO SEE -- YOU WERE
ALWAYS ASKING THE QUESTION OF THE WHY.
ARE YOU STARTING TO FEEL LIKE THE WHY MIGHT BE THE NEED FOR
FINANCING. >> WHEN THERE IS DOUBT, THERE IS
NO DOUBT. WE ARE DANCING AROUND THIS.
ABSOLUTELY, JOY, YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT THIS IS IS A PATTERN IS
EMERGING HERE. WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE OMITTING
THINGS SF 86, FORGET ABOUT CRIMINALITY.
MORE THE PATTERN, PATTERN OF DECEPTION.
WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DECEIVE INVESTIGATORS, TRYING TO HIDE
THIS. WHEN YOU HAVE FLYNN AND KUSHNER
SITTING DOWN AND HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, NO LONGER
ONE PERSON DOING IT. NOW YOU HAVE 2014 IF YOU HAVE
TWO SPIES, NOT JUST ONE BUT A SPY RING.
IF YOU HAVE TWO, IT'S MUCH MORE LIKELY THERE ARE THREE.
TO GO BACK TO JACK AND NAYYERA AND MALCOLM HAS SAID, THIS
WARRANTS A MUCH, MUCH WIDER INVESTIGATION.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU WE'VE HEARD EVERYTHING FROM KUSHNER ONTO THE
ELECTION IN DECEMBER, THIS SEEMS TO BE THE TIME IT CAME OUT.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS MUCH MORE LIKE FLYNN, WE HAVE TO GO
BACK THREE, FOUR YEARS. WAS KUSHNER TARGETED, RECRUITED
YEARS AGO MUCH AS FLYNN WAS. THIS IS A MASSIVE THING.
THIS IS NOT AN INVESTIGATION. THIS IS STILL AN ACTIVE CRIME
SCENE. WE STILL HAVE WHATEVER THE
RUSSIANS STARTED IN JANUARY ARE STILL IN PLAY.
UNTIL WE IDENTIFY THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE POTENTIAL ASSETS AND
PHYSICALLY REMOVE THEM, THE RUSSIAN OPERATION IS CONTINUING.
MY GOODNESS, THIS IS JUST NOTHING SHORT OF BREATHTAKING.
>> I'M GOING TO GO AROGO AROUND ROOM AND COMING BACK TO MALCOLM
QUICKLY ON THIS OTHER PIECE. SAID IF THERE'S TWO, IT'S A
RING. LET'S GO TO THREE, CARTER PAGE.
CARTER PAGE IN THIS STORY UNDERSOLD BECAUSE SO MANY OTHER
THINGS COMING OUT OF THE FIRE HOSE, THIS DIDN'T MAKE TO BE A
BIG HEADLINE. "WASHINGTON POST" THURSDAY,
MULTIPLE PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH CAMPAIGNS, CARTER PAGE BROUGHT
INTO THE FOLD AT A TIME OF DESPERATION WITH THE TRUMP TEAM
AS TRUMP WAS STARTING TO WIN PRIM AREAS, HE WAS UNDER
INCREASING PRESSURE TO SHOW HE HAD A LEGITIMATE PRESIDENTIAL
CALIBER SECURITY TEAM.
MOST WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.
ALONG CAME CARTER PAGE. ANYONE WHO CAME IN WITH A PULSE,
RESUME AND SEEMED LEGIT WOULD BE WELCOME.
HAVE YOU CARTER PAGE, WHO HAS AN OFFICE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET
FROM TRUMP TOWER IN MANHATTAN, WALKS ACROSS THE TRELLIS, WALKS
HIMSELF IN TRUMP TOWER, PRESENTS HIMSELF WITH PHD AND BACKGROUND
IN RUSSIAN BUSINESS AND HE GETS ON THE CAMPAIGN.
DOES IT SOUND LIKE SOMEBODY WHO WAS ADDING HIMSELF TO THE
CAMPAIGN FOR A REASON? >> ADDING HIMSELF TO THE
CAMPAIGN OR INJECTING HIMSELF INTO A NETWORK OF ASSETS.
I THINK OVER AT THE NATIONAL TERRORISM DIVISION AND
COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE -- FOR THE COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE DIVISION
BUT COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS WHO ARE NOW
INVESTIGATING THIS, THE NATION'S SPY HUNTERS, I CAN TELL YOU FOR
A FACT, THEY ARE JUST GOING TO ASSUME RIGHT NOW THAT THEY HAVE
A NETWORK OF SPIES OR ASSETS WHO ARE WITING OR UNWITING.
CARTER PAGE MAY HAVE BEEN A WALKER.
THAT'S A PERSON THAT WALKS IN AND OFFERS HIMSELF FOR SERVICES
BUT MAY BE AN INFILTRATION AGENT.
IT'S POSSIBLE HE COULD BE AN INFILTRATION AGENT FOR US,
WORKING FOR THE FBI OR, IN FACT, WORKING FOR THE RUSSIANS.
WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT. BUT WHEN YOU TIE ALL OF THESE
INDIVIDUALS IN, CARTER PAYABLE, PAUL MANAFORT, MICHAEL FLYNN,
JARED KUSHNER, MICHAEL COHEN, JEFF SESSIONS, EVERY ONE OF THEM
HAS ONE NEXUS, THAT NEXUS IS SERGEY KISLYAK, RUSSIAN
AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES. EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE TRIED
TO HIDE THEIR CONNECTIONS WITH HIM.
THIS WOULD DEFINITELY BE CONSIDERED AN ACTIVE SUSPICIOUS
NETWORK. LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE JUST GOING
TO HAVE TO ASSUME THERE'S AN ESPIONAGE COMPONENT TO THIS.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE NEGLIGENT TO NOT BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE WERE
BEING HANDLED BY THE RUSSIANS THEMSELVES.
>> A HELL OF A COINCIDENCE, ALL THESE TAKING PLACE IN TRUMP
TOWER WHERE ANOTHER GUY LIVES, PAUL MANAFORT, WHO LIVES IN
TRUMP TOWER, DONE BUSINESS WITH DONALD TRUMP, NEFARIOUS REGIONS
INCLUDING UKRAINE PRO-RUSSIAN, MANAFORT AND FLYNN, RUSSIAN
SPIES COLLECTED INFORMATION SENIOR --
YOU'VE GOT MANAFORT'S MONEY TRAFFICKED THROUGH.
NOW WE'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE. >> THE NUMBERS KEEP EXPANDING
HERE. I TRY TO IMAGINE AN FBI AGENT OR
GROUP LOOKING AT A RING SOMEWHERE IN MICHIGAN OR NEW
JERSEY OR FLORIDA OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
IF YOU START LOOKING AT THE CONNECTIONS, THAT NEXUS POINT,
THAT PLACELACE WHERE THEY ALL C TOGETHER.
AGAIN, IT IS KISLYAK AND RUSSIANS.
IT'S ALSO LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE.
IF YOU YOU A ONE LIE, YOU'D SAY, WELL, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE BUT TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE FROM EACH OF
THESE INDIVIDUALS. AS TIME GOES ON, IT EXPANDS.
IT GETS WORSE AND WORSE. YOU DROP A STONE IN THE OCEAN
AND IT STARTS TO RIPPLE OUT. THIS THE RIPPLE EFFECT WE'RE
WATCHING. IT'S GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER.
>> EVERYBODY STAY HERE. WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS WHOLE
THING. WE'RE TAKING A COMMERCIAL BREAK.
COMING UP DONALD TRUMP'S WORLD TOUR IS ABOUT TO END.
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