Police: It's quite a difficult position still isn't it, for something that isn't illegal.
Police: and um, so you have to support it,
Police: no matter what a person thinks.
James: Well, that's the whole point.
James: I mean, even what like slavery was legal but I am sure it took certain individuals
James: to come to a point where they realized, ok this law is unjust
James: and I am sure, you know
Police: People like yourself where the people that can create change
James: Oh well you know, we all try um and you know like I was saying
James: with the actual holocaust a lot of people did that job because they thought it was legal
James: because it was legal, everything Hitler did was legal.
James: but obviously it wasn't right
James: and so, I mean
James: We do what we are told to a point
James: Like I understand it, that your job is
Police: What we do as police?
James: Yeah
Police: We make that choice I guess dont we
James: Sure but if someone told you to do something that you believe was immoral
James: You know what I mean, you can still do it
James: and I guess that's when it comes to the point where you do start to become a balancing act
James: and that's
Police: It is an interesting balancing act
James: It is, it is man
James: Like I don't envy the position to be in it
James: Like some points wouldn't be easy
James: As you just said
James: you can empathize with it
James: Do you find that there is some sort of level of hypocrisy when
James: you both are men of the law, you uphold justice,
James: you protect
James: and
James: say for example, someone was a victim of violence in the morning
James: I am sure you two would be the first to go in there and stop that violence happening
James: to that innocent being
James: that innocent person
James: and then later in the day
James: perhaps
James: you would go
James: perhaps, you would do what most of us have done
James: in the past
James: me, up to only a few years ago
James: and you would purchase an animal product
James: so you might buy a chicken burger
James: and although it seems quite a mundane action
James: what you are doing there is paying for the mutilation and the torture and the murder
James: of an innocent being
James: so it's like, if you do empathise
James: if you do empathise with that being cruel and violent and unnecessary
James: as I think we can all prove that it is
James: none of us need to eat animal products to survive and thrive
James: in fact, we are far healthier and likelier to live longer and
James: reduce our chances of many diseases.
James: So, if it becomes this unnecessary violence
James: do you feel like, on some level there's a hypocrisy with
James: fighting against violence and then paying for it later in the day?
Police: Yeah, totally agree
James: Yeah, great man
Police: I'd be stupid if I didn't say that was hypocritical.
Police: If I didn't like animals being slaughtered but then I went and had a burger
Police: chicken, whatever it might be
James: Yeah
Police: and that's something that
Police: is difficult because it's been ingrained in us hasn't it
James: Absolutly
Police: and we could carry on that path and it is very very difficult to
Police: change your state of mind in relation to eating meat
James: I know man
James: I've been dealing with people trying to get them...
Police: Have you been a meat eater previously?
James: Oh yeah, THE meat eater
Officer: *Laughing*
James: I would stack my plate up with a pyramid of meat if that was what was on offer
James: and I could
James: but I think it got to the point where first of all
James: I realsed that we could live and thrive without eating meat
Police: Yeah, if the world started all over again today, would we do it?
James: Why would we do it?
James: There is no need.
James: And then I took it a step further because I realised, you know, I did it for health initially
James: then I learned what happens to the animals and I decided
James: that I'm not ok with that
James: You know, I'm a peaceful person, respectful
James: and every time I buy an animal product...
James: It's like in the court of law here I believe
James: If I pay you to kill somebody, we both go down equally for that murder
James: Right?
James: and if I pay someone for an animal product
James: I'm paying not just for this package
James: but for everything that happened to that animal along the way
James: All the brutality, all the killing
James: and you know, it can seem hard to change
James: I was a massive meat eater for a long time
James: when I realized that there is as much cruelty in dairy and eggs and all animal products
James: they all come from cruelty
James: I decided, that actually doesn't make sense to not eat meat
James: but still eat dairy
James: It's either you are against animal cruelty and injustice, or you're not
James: and if you are, then the least you do is be vegan
James: I know a lot of people think "Oh vegan, man that is extreme."
James: but vegans... There's nothing extreme about it bro
James: you eat delicious, amazing food
James: It's healthier, but most importantly
James: you've stopped being extreme, because what's extreme is
James: saying you love animals and you're against animal cruelty
James: and then you pay people to torture and kill them
James: So that's all it is man
James: and if it is something that is starting to perhaps resonate for whatever reason
James: all you've gotta do is just look up "how do I go vegan?" online
James: and you just start, man. You just start having more vegan meals
James: When your toothpaste runs out, you get a toothpaste that wasn't tested on animals
James: It is legitimately so easy and so delicious
James: and so, I guess it just takes each and every one of us though to be the change
James: and to say, "Ok, that's wrong! I am contributing to it."
James: This is, as well, the most harm that anyone of us are causing man.
James: You know, we're good people in almost every other aspect of our life
James: but then this one thing we do, three times a day
James: is causing a literal...
James: You've heard them (the animals) scream today
James: It's an actual horror show, man.
James: And they're like children, they are so innocent
James: They are like children. Yhey don't know what's going on.
James: And they suffer this whole time
James: So, yeah man, it's about realising the injustice and then taking your involvement out of it.
James: And that's all that being vegan is
James: Yeah
Police: You make a lot of sense
James: It is a very logical stance.
James: Any way man I've gotta head off
James: Nice to meet you brother thanks a lot
Police: Ok
James: Thanks man, thank you very much
James: See you guys
Onlooker: You are amazing, you are a huge inspiration and activist to all of us
James: Thanks
Onlooker 2: I want to know how you stay so calm?
James: Because I was there, because we where all there a few years ago
James: Yeah that is right, it's about helping each other do better
James: not blaming and shaming anybody, but it is about helping
James: each other, realise we can do better and inspiring people to do that.
James: Try and inspire people to do that
James: because it is like where not, because we are victims as well of this thought process
James: This society that has told us that this is ok
James: so if you realize that everyone else is has been conditioned this way
James: It is not that they are our enemies that are doing this whole thing deliberately, once they can't help it
Police: Sorry guys
James: Yeah man, really nice to talk to you bro, thanks
James: I didn't know why I
Onlooker: He has got good people skills
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