(*)
>> Rosemary: ON THIS SUNDAY
NIGHT...
>> President Donald Trump: SO
YOU WANT MORE CARAVANS AND YOU
WANT MORE CRIME -- VOTE
DEMOCRAT.
IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
>> THE REPUBLICANS DON'T CARE
ABOUT YOUR BOOS.
BUT THEY CARE ABOUT YOUR VOTE.
>> Rosemary: THEY'RE NOT UP
FOR ELECTION BUT THEY'RE
FIGHTING FOR EVERY VOTE, EVEN IN
REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLDS.
>> Adrienne: WHAT IS IT ABOUT
TENNESSEE
THAT YOU THINK THAT MAKES IT
STILL TRUMP COUNTRY?
>> BECAUSE WE LOVE AMERICA AND
WE WANT TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT
AGAIN.
>> Rosemary: WILL IT MAKE THE
DIFFERENCE IN THE TIGHTEST
RACES?
>> THIS MIGHT HAVE MADE A
DIFFERENCE FOR THE 16 YOUNG MEN
AND WOMEN IN THE HUMBOLDT CRASH.
>> Rosemary: TRANSPORT CANADA
HAS KNOWN FOR YEARS THAT COACH
BUSES WITHOUT SEATBELTS WERE
DEADLY, SO WHY DIDN'T THEY ACT?
"A FIFTH ESTATE" INVESTIGATION.
>> I WAS DEVASTATED, TO TELL YOU
THE TRUTH.
>> Rosemary: HER HUSBAND HAD A
STROKE AND SHE WAS LEFT WITH HIS
CREDIT CARD BILLS.
NOW SHE'S "GOING PUBLIC."
IS CREDIT CARD INSURANCE WORTH
IT?
>>> THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
(*)
>> Rosemary: WELL, THE U.S.
MIDTERMS ARE NOW JUST A DAY AWAY
FOR DEMOCRATS AND A CHANCE TO
RECLAIM SOME POWER.
FOR REPUBLICANS IT'S ALL ABOUT
HOLDING OFF THAT SO-CALLED BLUE
WAVE.
ALL 435 SEATS IN THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES ARE UP FOR GRABS
ALONG WITH SOME 35 SENATE SEATS.
AND WHILE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY
WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WE DO KNOW
THAT VOTERS, THEY'RE ENGAGED.
SOME 30 MILLION AMERICANS HAVE
ALREADY CAST EARLY BALLOTS, SO
TONIGHT WE'LL LOOK AT THE
LAST-DITCH EFFORT ON BOTH SIDES
TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT AND THE
POLITICAL STAR POWER THEY'RE
USING TO DO IT.
PAUL HUNTER HAS THAT ANGLE FROM
WASHINGTON.
>> Reporter: HIS NAME ISN'T ON
ANY BALLOT THIS TUESDAY BUT
DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF
ACKNOWLEDGED TODAY THAT HE
ACCEPTS THAT THESE MIDTERMS ARE
INDEED A REFERENDUM ON HIM.
>> President Donald Trump: I
SEE HEADLINES IN "THE NEW YORK
TIMES" AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT ME
AND IT'S NOT REALLY, BUT I'LL
ACCEPT THAT.
>> Reporter: WITH CONTROL OF
CAPITOL HILL AT STAKE, THE
MIDTERM ELECTIONS ARE THE FIRST
CHANCE FOR AMERICANS TO WEIGH IN
ON THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY AT THE
BALLOT BOX.
(*)
* I'M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN
>> Reporter: TRUMP WAS
CAMPAIGNING HARD AGAIN TODAY,
THIS RALLY WAS IN GEORGIA,
TRYING TO ENERGIZE REPUBLICAN
VOTERS.
AND HE AGAIN SAID THAT HE'D
BLOCK THAT CARAVAN OF MIGRANTS
HEADING TOWARDS THE U.S. THROUGH
MEXICO.
MIGRANTS THAT TRUMP REGULARLY
DENOUNCES AS A THREAT TO
AMERICAN SECURITY.
>> President Donald Trump:
DEMOCRATS WANT TO INVITE CARAVAN
AFTER CARAVAN OF ILLEGAL ALIENS
TO POUR INTO OUR COUNTRY.
THESE ARE THE SAME CARAVANS THAT
HAVE VIOLENTLY OVERRUN MEXICAN
SOLDIERS AND POLICE.
YOU SAW THIS, WE'RE NOT DEALING
WITH BABIES HERE, FOLKS.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Reporter: COUNTERPUNCHING
TODAY AT A DEMOCRATIC RALLY IN
INDIANA, THE MAN THAT TRUMP
REPLACED IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
BARACK OBAMA.
>> WHEN YOU HEAR THESE
REPUBLICANS BRAG ABOUT LOOK HOW
GOOD THE ECONOMY IS... WHERE DO
YOU THINK THAT STARTED?
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Reporter: LIKE TRUMP, OBAMA
HAS BEEN CAMPAIGNING A LOT
LATELY.
HIS MESSAGE, REPUBLICANS WILL
THREATEN U.S. HEALTH CARE.
>> GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA.
>> Reporter: TODAY SLAMMING
THAT PARTY FOR DIVISIVE POLITICS
AND SPREADING LIES.
>> UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE, I DON'T
JUST MAKE STUFF UP WHEN I'M
TALKING.
[Cheers and Applause]
I'VE GOT FACTS TO BACK ME UP.
>> Reporter: SO GO VOTE, HE
URGED, BRING CHANGE, ECHOING HIS
OWN CAMPAIGN SLOGAN A DECADE
AGO.
SAID OBAMA, IT'S TIME TO CHOOSE
HOPE OVER FEAR.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, SO WHAT IS
THE LATEST THINKING?
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THINGS CAN
CHANGE, BUT WHAT'S THE LATEST
THINKING ON HOW THE VOTE WILL
ACTUALLY GO ON TUESDAY, PAUL?
>> Reporter: WELL, THE LATEST
POLLS SUGGEST -- AND EVEN TRUMP
SEEMED TO AGREE TODAY -- WHILE
THE
REPUBLICANS MAY HANG ON TO THE
SENATES THE DEMOCRATS ARE POISED
TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES.
IF SO IT WILL BE A WHOLE NEW
WORLD IN WASHINGTON ON WEDNESDAY
MORNING WITH EMBOLDENED AND
EMPOWERED DEMOCRATS SUDDENLY
ABLE TO TAKE ON TRUMP.
AND THEN AGAIN POLLS HAVE BEEN
WRONG BEFORE.
WHO CAN FORGET 48 HOURS BEFORE
TRUMP WAS NAMED PRESIDENT-ELECT
IN 2016, HILLARY CLINTON WOULD
HAVE BEEN POLISHING HER
ACCEPTANCE SPEECH.
AND SO IN THE BATTLE OF THE
PRESIDENTS TODAY BOTH TRUMP AND
OBAMA REMINDED AMERICANS THAT NO
MATTER THE POLLS IT'S UP TO
VOTERS TO GET OUT AND DO IT --
CAST THOSE BALLOTS FOR THE KIND
OF AMERICA THEY WANT.
>> Rosemary: ALL RIGHT,
THANKS, PAUL.
CBC'S PAUL HUNTER IS IN
WASHINGTON TONIGHT.
OBAMA WASN'T THE ONLY PRESIDENT
OFFERING FAMILIAR MESSAGES
TONIGHT.
A MOMENT AGO YOU HEARD DONALD
TRUMP AT HIS RALLY IN GEORGIA,
ONCE AGAIN DRUMMING UP
FEARS ABOUT BORDER SECURITY.
HE STRUCK THAT NOTE AGAIN IN
CHATTANOOGA, TENNESSEE.
>> President Donald Trump:
THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR
HEALTH CARE.
AND THEY WANT TO IMPOSE
SOCIALISM ON OUR COUNTRY.
>> BOO!
>> President Donald Trump: AND
THEY WANT TO ERASE AMERICA'S
BORDERS.
DEMOCRATS WANT TO INVITE CARAVAN
AFTER CARAVAN OF ILLEGAL ALIENS
TO POUR INTO OUR COUNTRY.
I DON'T THINK SO.
AND THAT'S AN INVASION.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAY.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THE FAKE MEDIA
SAYS, THAT'S AN INVASION OF OUR
COUNTRY.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Rosemary: OUR ADRIENNE
ARSENAULT IS IN TENNESSEE RIGHT
NOW AS PART OF OUR IN-DEPTH
MIDTERM COVERAGE.
TOMORROW SHE'LL
GIVE US A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS
SURPRISINGLY TOUGH SENATE RACE
AND WHAT IT MEANS, ESPECIALLY
FOR THE DEMOCRATS, BUT EARLIER
TODAY SHE SPOKE TO PEOPLE AHEAD
OF THAT TRUMP RALLY.
HERE'S WHAT SHE FOUND...
>> Adrienne: TENNESSEE JUST
ISN'T ONE OF THOSE PLACE WHERE
IS YOU WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE
WOULD BE A NEED FOR A RALLY FROM
PRESIDENT TRUMP, YET THIS IS HIS
SECOND ONE HERE.
THIS IS A STATE THAT HE WON IN
2016, 61% OF THE ELECTORATE
VOTED FOR HIM.
THIS IS A STATE THAT'S DOING
WELL.
IT IS GROWING, GROWING
ECONOMICALLY, AND IT'S GROWING
IN CONSERVATIVE
WHITE VOTERS.
AND IN THE CONSERVATIVE SOUTH,
TENNESSEE IS REALLY
CONSERVATIVE.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE KEY TO
HOW THE PRESIDENT IS CHOOSING
THE LOCATIONS FOR HIS RALLIES.
11 STOPS IN EIGHT STATES, ALL
PLACES THAT HE WON FIRMLY.
AND THE POINT OF THAT SEEMS TO
BE SO THAT HE CAN SOAK UP THEIR
ENTHUSIASM AND HE CAN SOAK IN
THEIRS.
SO I GOT THAT CORRECT?
>> YEP.
>> Adrienne: SO WHAT IS IT
ABOUT TENNESSEE THAT YOU THINK
MAKES IT STILL TRUMP COUNTRY?
>> BECAUSE WE LOVE AMERICA AND
WE WANT TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT
AGAIN.
>> Adrienne: IS YOUR LIFE
BETTER?
>> YES, MY HUSBAND JUST GOT A
RAISE.
AND, OF COURSE, WE'RE BRINGING
HOME MORE MONEY IN
OUR PAYCHEQUES SO, YES, IT IS
BETTER.
>> I LOVE THIS COUNTRY.
>> Adrienne: BUT THE THING IS
THAT TRUMP'S BUMP THE SIZE OF
THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED HERE IN
TENNESSEE BECAUSE THE RACE
PERCENTAGE IN THIS STATE HAS
BECOME ONE OF THE TIGHTEST, ONE
OF THE NASTIEST, ONE OF THE
COSTLIEST RACES IN THIS ENTIRE
COUNTRY.
AND AT ONE LEVEL IT MAKES NO
SENSE BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN
CANDIDATE -- THIS WOMAN NAMED
MARSHA BLACKBURN -- SHOULD BE
ABLE
TO PRACTICALLY PHONE IT IN, AND
YET SHE'S NOT ABLE TO DO THAT.
THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE IS A
FORMER GOVERNOR AND HE'S TRYING
TO KEEP IT LOCAL AND SO FAR THE
POLLS, FOR WHATEVER THEY'RE
WORTH, ARE SUGGESTING THAT THIS
STATE IS AN ACTUAL TOSS-UP,
MAKING TENNESSEE ONE THAT YOU
HAVE TO WATCH.
>> Rosemary: AWESOME TO SEE
ADRIENNE OUT THERE AND YOU'LL
HEAR MORE FROM HER TOMORROW.
AND THE PRESIDENT IS ZEROING IN
ON TIGHT RACES, PARTICULARLY IN
THE MIDWEST.
ONE DAY TO GO AND IT WILL BE A
BUSY ONE.
TRUMP THE HIT THREE STATES
TRYING TO TIP THE SCALES AGAINST
THREE DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENT
SENATORS.
TRUMP'S FIRST STOP IS CLEVELAND,
OHIO, TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
THEN IT'S OFF TO FORT WAYNE,
INDIANA, FOR ANOTHER RALLY.
AND THE LAST STOP IS CAPE
GIRARDEAU, MISSOURI, WHERE HE'S
JOINED BY CONSERVATIVE
BROADCASTER SEAN HANNITY AND
RUSH LIMBAUGH.
WE RECENTLY WENT TO OHIO, WITH A
RACE SO CLOSE THAT WE THOUGHT
THAT IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT
PLACE TO BRING TOGETHER SIX
ORDINARY AMERICANS FOR A VERY
CANDID CONVERSATION ABOUT THE
ELECTION, THEIR PRESIDENT, THE
GREAT POLITICAL DIVIDE IN THE
U.S.
WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION
TOMORROW NIGHT AND HE'S HERE'S A
PREVIEW.
SO MARY YOU'RE OVER HERE AND
DAVID YOU'RE BESIDE ME AND STEVE
ON THE END AND ROLAND IN THE
MIDDLE.
TOM IS HERE.
WE DID DIVIDE YOU IN YOUR SPOTS.
IT WOULD BE EASIER TO FOLLOW
ALONG.
>> ALL RIGHT, TEAM, TAKE FOUR.
>> Rosemary: SO, OBVIOUSLY,
WE'VE SPLIT YOU UP SORT OF INTO
NOT SUCH A BIG FAN OF THE
PRESIDENT AND FAN OF THE
PRESIDENT.
SO, TOM, I'LL START WITH YOU.
HOW DO YOU THINK THAT HE'S BEEN
DOING IN THIS FIRST COUPLE
YEARS?
>> I THINK THAT HE'S DOING A
VERY GOOD JOB.
ONE, HE'S DOING WHAT HE SAID HE
WAS GOING TO DO.
HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO
REFORM TAXES, HE REFORMED TAXES.
HE SAID THAT HE'D DEREGULATE AND
HE DEREGULATED AND OUR ECONOMY
IS THRIVING BECAUSE OF THAT.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, YOU'RE NOT
A BIG FAN.
>> NOT AT ALL.
>> Rosemary: NO.
SO HOW DO YOU THINK THAT HE'S
DOING IN THE JOB?
>> MY GREATER CONCERN IS WHAT I
THINK IS HAPPENING TO THE PEOPLE
IN THIS COUNTRY.
AND HE IS INCREDIBLY POLARIZING.
>> Rosemary: WATCH FOR THAT
CONVERSATION TOMORROW NIGHT HERE
ON "THE NATIONAL" AS WE COUNT
DOWN TO THE U.S. MIDTERMS.
OUR COVERAGE ON TUESDAY STARTS
AT 8:00 p.m. EASTERN ON CBC
NEWS NETWORK AND, OF COURSE,
WE'LL BE LIVE ON CBC TELEVISION
THROUGHOUT THE EVENING.
AT 10:00 p.m., AND, OF COURSE,
10:30 IN NEWFOUNDLAND AND
LABRADOR.
WE HAVE A LOT MORE TONIGHT ON
"THE NATIONAL"... HER HUSBAND
PAID FOR
CREDIT CARD INSURANCE FOR YEARS
SO WHY DIDN'T SHE GET THE HELP
SHE NEEDED WHEN HE HAD A STROKE?
A "GO PUBLIC" INVESTIGATION.
>>> AND DRAKE CLAIMS A CASE OF
RACISM WHEN HE WAS TURNED AWAY
AT A B.C. CASINO.
WE LOOK AT THE NEW RULES FOR
HIGH ROLLERS, BUT, FIRST, THE
WARNING WAS THERE NEARLY TWO
DECADES AGO, WHY HAS IT TAKEN SO
LONG TO MAKE SEATBELTS HAND TORO
COACH BUSESES?
"THE FIFTH
ESTATE" UNCOVERED DOCUMENTS
SHOWING THAT BUREAUCRATS WERE
WELL AWARE THAT LIVES COULD BE
LOST IF SEATBELTS WERE NOT
REQUIRED ON COACH BUSES.
POLITICIANS KNEW IT TOO.
AND THAT WAS LONG BEFORE THE
FATAL CRASH THIS APRIL WITH THE
HUMBOLDT BRONCOS' TEAM BUS.
KAREN PAULS TAKES A DEEPER LOOK.
>> Reporter: ALMOST TWO
DECADES BEFORE THE HUMBOLDT
TRAGEDY THIS FATAL CRASH IN NEW
BRUNSWICK.
ELAINE ALPERT'S SON, STEPHEN,
DIED.
>> THEN I HEARD THAT THERE WERE
FATALITIES AND THE PHONE STARTED
RINGING.
>> Reporter: A CORONER'S
INQUEST RECOMMENDED THAT
SEATBELTS BE INSTALLED AND
ENFORCED ON MOTOR COACHES.
AN INTERNAL TRANSPORT CANADA
REPORT ALSO CONCLUDED THAT COACH
BUSES WITHOUT SEATBELTS MAY PUT
PASSENGERS AT UNNECESSARY RISK
OF INJURIES AND FATALITIES.
STILL, IT DID NOTHING.
THE REPORT WAS NEVER MADE PUBLIC
UNTIL NOW.
AFTER "THE FIFTH ESTATE" GOT IT
THROUGH AN ACCESS TO INFORMATION
REQUEST.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS
EXISTED.
>> Reporter: ALPERT SAID IF
TRANSPORT CANADA HAD ACTED
THEN --
>> IT MIGHT HAVE MADE A
DIFFERENCE FOR THE 16 YOUNG MEN
AND WOMEN IN THE HUMBOLDT CRASH.
AND OTHERS IN BETWEEN.
>> Reporter: LIKE THIS ONE IN
B.C.... 43 PEOPLE WERE
CRITICALLY INJURED.
THE HEAD OF CANADA'S COACH BUS
INDUSTRY WROTE AN URGENT LETTER
TO LISA RAITT, THEN TRANSPORT
MINISTER IN THE HARPER
GOVERNMENT.
"WHILE THANKFULLY NO ONE WAS
KILLED IN THIS INCIDENT IT'S
ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE
THERE IS ANOTHER FATAL
INCIDENT."
>> I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I ASKED
FOR INFORMATION AND MY TEAM, MY
STAFF, WOULD HAVE RECEIVED
BRIEFINGS AS WELL.
AND THE INFORMATION THAT I GOT
BACK WAS A COUPLE THINGS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, MINISTER, IT
TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET
REGULATIONS GOING.
>> Reporter: INSTEAD IT TOOK
16 DEATHS AND 13 INJURIES FOR
OTTAWA TO FINALLY ANNOUNCE ALL
NEW COACH BUSES MUST HAVE
SEATBELTS BY SEPTEMBER 2020.
>> AND IT IS MY NUMBER ONE
PRIORITY.
AND I AM WORKING TO TRY TO MAKE
ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AS
SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
>> Reporter: EVERY PROVINCE
HAS A LAW THAT SAYS IF THERE ARE
SEATBELTS ON A BUS THEY MUST BE
USED.
BUT IT'S UP TO THE BUS DRIVER TO
ENFORCE.
THERE WERE SEATBELTS ON THE
HUMBOLDT BRONCOS BUS BUT NOBODY
WAS WEARING THEM.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO
WAIT.
WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?
>> Reporter: CHRIS JOSEPH'S
SON, JACKSON, DIED IN THAT CRASH
AND HE SAYS THAT OTTAWA STILL
ISN'T ACTING FAST ENOUGH.
>> I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT
NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS BEFORE
THEN.
>> Reporter: SO JOSEPH AND
OTHER FAMILIES HAVE LAUNCHED A
SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN
#BUCKLEUPFORTHEBRONCOS.
>> YOU MIGHT GET A LITTLE
PUSHBACK, BUT I THINK
EVENTUALLY, LIKE HELMETS ON
BICYCLES AND LIKE ANYTHING,
PEOPLE WILL START TO ACCEPT IT
AS THE NORM.
>> Reporter: HUMBOLDT BRONCOS'
FAMILIES WANT IT TO BECOME THE
NORM JUST LIKE SEATBELTS USED IN
CARS BEFORE THE NEXT TRAGIC BUS
CRASH.
KAREN PAULS, CBC NEWS, WINNIPEG.
>> Rosemary: SOME OTHER
STORIES WE'RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT
ON "THE NATIONAL," INCLUDING A
DEADLY MID-AIR COLLISION
INVOLVING TWO SMALL
PLANES OVER OTTAWA.
>> WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE
AT THE SITE.
WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE
WRECKAGE.
WE WANT TO TAKE THE AIRCRAFT TO
THE LABORATORY AND TO THE T.S.B.
LAB.
>> Rosemary: ONE OF THE PLANES
CRASHED IN A WOODED AREA IN THE
CITY'S WEST END AND ONE PERSON
ABOARD THAT CESSNA WAS
PRONOUNCED DEAD AT THE SCENE.
THE SECOND PLANE LANDED SAFELY
AT THE
OTTAWA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
SHORTLY AFTER.
NO WORD YET ON THE CAUSE OF THE
CRASH BUT THE PILOT OF THE
SECOND PLANE DID REPORT TO AIR
TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS THAT THE
FIRST AIRCRAFT HIT THE BOTTOM OF
HIS PLANE.
>> COOL.
>> DID YOU GET PICTURES?
>> YOU COULD ELECTROCUTED IN
HERE.
>> Rosemary: THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE ARE STILL WITHOUT POWER
AFTER A FIERCE WINDSTORM BLEW
THROUGH ATLANTIC CANADA THIS
WEEKEND, MOST IN NEW BRUNSWICK,
WHERE SOME COULD REMAIN IN THE
DARK FOR DAYS.
AT THIS POINT FREDERICTON'S
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS ONLY
FUNCTIONAL DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS
HOURS.
NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR SAW
WIND GUSTS OF 115 km/h TODAY.
AND THE CONFEDERATION BRIDGE WAS
CLOSED TO MOTORCYCLES AND
HIGH-SIDED VEHICLES LIKE BUSES
AND TRUCKS.
THIS DRIVER SPENT SATURDAY NIGHT
IN HIS RIG NEAR THE BRIDGE WHEN
THE STORM WAS AT ITS PEAK.
>> I WAS WONDERING IF I WAS
GOING TO WAKE UP WITH THE WHEELS
DOWN OR IF YOU WERE GOING TO
FIND ME SOMEWHERES OVER HERE
UPSIDE DOWN ON MY ROOF.
>> Rosemary: ANOTHER DRIVER
FROM LAS VEGAS DESCRIBES HIS
EXPERIENCE.
>> YOU GUYS CALL IT TIMMYS AND
THE COFFEE IN THIS PART OF THE
WORLD IS REALLY GOOD.
SO THERE'S NO PROBLEM OTHER THAN
THAT I THINK THAT I'M GOING TO
BLOW OVER.
>> Rosemary: THE BRIDGE HAS
SINCE REOPENED TO ALL TRAFFIC
WHILE THE POWER CREWS ACROSS
THE REGION ARE STILL WORKING TO
GET
THE LIGHTS BACK ON.
>>> AND ITALY'S PRIME MINISTER
SURVEYED WEATHER RELATED
DEVASTATION IN SICILY TODAY.
MUCH OF THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN HIT
BY HIGH WINDS AND TORRENTIAL
RAIN FOR DAYS.
DOZENS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
KILLED.
AT LEAST 15 OF THOSE IN SICILY
ALONE, INCLUDING TWO FAMILIES
WHO DROWNED INSIDE A HOUSE NEAR
POLARMO AFTER A RIVER BURSTS IT
BANKS.
THE ITALIAN GOVERNMENT IS
EXPECTED TO
DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY
THIS WEEK.
>>> WELL, DRAKE WAS IN VANCOUVER
THIS WEEKEND FOR A COUPLE SHOWS
BUT HIS VISIT TO A LOCAL CASINO
ENDED ON A SOUR NOTE.
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BUT, FIRST, HE PUT ON THIS
IMPROMPTU SHOW AT THE FORTUNES
SOUND CLUB ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND
THEN IT WAS OFF TO THE CASINO.
HERE'S WHAT HE POSTED TO HIS
50 MILLION INSTAGRAM
FOLLOWERS... "PARQ CASINO IS THE
WORST RUN BUSINESS I HAVE EVER
WITNESSED, PROFILING ME AND NOT
ALLOWING ME TO GAMBLE WHEN I HAD
EVERYTHING THEY ORIGINALLY ASKED
FOR."
IN A STATEMENT THE CASINO SAID,
"WE ARE OPERATING IN
ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEX, HIGHLY
REGULATED INDUSTRIES."
AND ONE OF THOSE REGULATIONS
REQUIRES THAT ANYONE PLAYING
WITH MORE THAN $10,000 TO PROVE
WHERE IT CAME FROM.
BRIAR STEWART EXPLAINS WHY.
>> Reporter: PARQ VANCOUVER IS
A $600 MILLION HOTEL AND CASINO
COMPLEX.
IT OPENED LAST YEAR AND LIKE
THE REST OF B.C. CASINOS... IT
NOW TO KEEP MORE RECORDS ON
ANYONE WHO TURNS UP WANTING TO
PLAY WITH $10,000 OR MORE.
IT'S PART OF WHAT IS BEING
BILLED AS A CRACK DOWN ON MONEY
LAUNDERING.
>> CASINOS SERVED AS LAUNDROMATS
FOR THE PROCEEDS OF ORGANIZED
CRIME.
>> Reporter: EARLIER THIS YEAR
A REPORT FOUND THAT $100 MILLION
HAD
BEEN FUNNELLED THROUGH B.C.
CASINOS.
>> BUNDLES OF $20 BILLS, AND
TRANSACTIONS IN EXCESS OF
$250,000.
>> Reporter: SURVEILLANCE
VIDEO SHOWED PEOPLE WALKING INTO
B.C. CASINOS WITH BAGS FULL OF
CASH, SUSPICIOUS TRANSACTIONS
THAT WERE PART OF WHAT WAS
DESCRIBED AS A COMPLETE SYSTEM
FAILURE.
>> I THINK THAT IT'S A
COMBINATION MUCH LAX REGULATION
BY THE
GOVERNMENT AND NOT WILLING TO
FOLLOW THE RULES BY THE CASINOS.
IT WENT ON FOR QUITE A FEW
YEARS.
>> Reporter: IN JANUARY ALL
CASEENOS WERE ORDERED TO DEMAND
THAT GAMBLERS WHO TURNED UP WITH
MORE THAN $10,000 IN CASH OR
CHEQUE, TO SHOW WHERE THE
MONEY CAME FROM.
THEY NEED A BANKING RECEIPT WITH
THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION'S
BRANCH AND ACCOUNT NUMBER.
>> THIS IS JUST A BLANKET RULE
THAT APPLIES TO ANYBODY.
SO YOU COULD ARGUE THAT IT'S
UNBALANCED IN THAT SENSE.
>> Reporter: SHE SPECIALIZES
IN FINANCIAL CRIME.
SHE SAYS THAT WHILE THE RULE IS
EFFECTIVE IN PREVENTING SOME
MONEY LAUNDERING THAT IT'S TOO
BROAD.
>> OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE VERY
WEALTHY AND YOU'RE A
MULTI-MILLIONAIRE IT'S A LITTLE
BIT ONEROUS TO PROVE THAT
$10,000 IS LEGITIMATELY EARNED
BY YOU AND YOU GOT IT FROM YOUR
BANK.
>> Reporter: BUT AS IT STANDS
THOSE RULES APPLY TO EVERYONE,
NO MATTER HOW HIGH PROFILE YOU
ARE AND WHERE YOUR MONEY CAME
FROM.
BRIAR STEWART, CBC NEWS,
VANCOUVER.
>> Rosemary: AHEAD TONIGHT ON
"THE NATIONAL"... WE TAKE AN
IN-DEPTH LOOK AT A DIVISIVE
ISSUE -- WHAT
TO DO ABOUT SIR JOHN A.'S
COMPLICATED LEGACY AND THE
STATUE THAT SOME SAY NEED TO BE
TAKEN DOWN.
>>> FIRST THOUGH A "GO PUBLIC"
INVESTIGATION.
HER HUSBAND PAID FOR CREDIT CARD
INSURANCE FOR YEARS BUT WHEN HE
SUFFERED A STROKE SHE SAID THAT
SHE WAS TOLD TO PAY UP.
>> I WAS DEVASTATED TO TELL YOU
THE TRUTH.
I THOUGHT, WHY?
BECAUSE WHEN HE WAS MAKING
PAYMENTS HE NEVER MISSED A
PAYMENT AND HE WAS NEVER LATE.
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(*)
>> Rosemary: IF YOU CARRY A
BALANCE ON A CREDIT CARD YOU'RE
NOT ALONE.
THE AVERAGE CARD HAS MORE THAN
$3,000, SO WHAT IF YOU GET SICK
OR LOSE YOUR JOB?
THERE'S BALANCE PROTECTION
INSURANCE FOR THAT BUT AN
ONTARIO WOMAN IS "GOING PUBLIC"
TONIGHT SAYING THAT IT DIDN'T
QUITE WORK OUT THE WAY THAT SHE
EXPECTED.
SHE TOLD THE STORY TO ERICA
JOHNSON.
>> COME HERE, SWEETIE.
>> Reporter: IT'S A HARD TIME
FOR JO GRAVES.
LAST FEBRUARY HER HUSBAND HAD A
MAJOR STROKE.
FOR YEARS HE PAID INSURANCE TO
COVER DEBT ON HIS CANADIAN TIRE
MASTERCARD.
>> HE HAD TOLD ME THAT HE WAS
GETTING THIS INSURANCE JUST IN
CASE ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED TO
HIM.
>> Reporter: GEORGE GRAVES'
STRUCK LED TO DEMENTIA.
HIS CREDIT CARD BALANCE WENT
UNPAID.
THEY STARTED CALLING HIS WIFE
FOR MONTHS DEMANDING THAT THE
DEBT BEING PAID.
>> I WAS DEVASTATED TO TELL YOU
THE TRUTH.
I THOUGHT, WHY?
BECAUSE WHEN HE WAS MAKING
PAYMENTS HE NEVER MISSED A
PAYMENT, HE WAS NEVER LATE.
>> Reporter: GRAVES ASSUMED
THE INSURANCE WOULD KICK IN BUT
SAYS THAT CANADIAN TIRE TOLD HER
THAT HER HUSBAND HAD TO FILE THE
CLAIM.
"GO PUBLIC" REQUESTED AN
INTERVIEW WITH CANADIAN TIRE,
THEY DECLINED, BUT IN A LETTER
TO JO GRAVES, A SENIOR
REPRESENTATIVE WROTE "CANADIAN
TIRE BANK HAS PROCESSES IN PLACE
TO MAKE CUSTOMERS AWARE OF HOW
THEIR CREDIT PROTECTION
INSURANCE COVERAGE COULD APPLY.
AND THAT THESE PROCESSES WERE
FOLLOWED."
>> IF YOU THINK THAT IT WILL
COVER YOUR TOTAL BALANCE, YOU
HAVE TO THINK AGAIN.
>> Reporter: IN GENERAL
PROTECTION INSURANCE ISN'T WORTH
HAVING.
>> BECAUSE THESE POLICIES ARE
VERY NARROW IN SCOPE.
IF YOU GET SICK THE FINANCIAL
INSTITUTION MIGHT HAVE A VERY
NARROW SCOPE OF HOW YOU QUALIFY
UNDER SICKNESS OR DISABILITY.
>> Reporter: AND SHE SAYS THAT
IT'S PRICEY.
CANADIAN TIRE CHARGES $1.10 FOR
EVERY $100 ON YOUR BALANCE SO
CUSTOMERS WITH AN AVERAGE
BALANCE OF $2,500 ARE PAYING
$27.50 A MONTH OR $330 A YEAR
PLUS TAXES.
AFTER WE CONTACTED CANADIAN TIRE
A SPOKESPERSON REACHED OUT TO JO
GRAVES, APOLOGIZED FOR THE
PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO GET HER TO
PAY HER HUSBAND'S BILL AND
SETTLED THE DISPUTE.
>> Rosemary: ERICA IS JOINING
US NOW.
CREDIT CARD INSURANCE IS PRICEY
AND THERE SEEM TO BE A LOT OF
LOOPHOLES WITH COVERAGE.
WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS IF YOU'RE
WORRIED ABOUT YOUR DEBT THOUGH?
>> Reporter: WELL, A LOT OF
FINANCIAL EXPERTS THAT WE SPOKE
TO SAID THAT THE FIRST THING
THAT YOU SHOULD DO, ROSIE, GET
OUT YOUR CREDIT CARD STATEMENT
TO SEE IF YOU'RE PAYING FOR THIS
INSURANCE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE THEY
HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THIS.
DURING OUR BANK INVESTIGATION
STORIES ABOUT A YEAR AGO WE HAD
A LOT OF BANK EMPLOYEES WRITE TO
US AND SAY THEY WOULD SECRETLY
TACK ON THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE IT
EARNED THEM SALES REVENUE.
SO CHECK THOSE CREDIT CARD
STATEMENTS AND SEE IF YOU'RE
PAYING FOR IT.
>> Rosemary: OKAY.
AND WHAT ABOUT TIPS IN TERMS OF
HOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO AVOID SOME
OF THIS AND BETTER PROTECT
YOURSELF?
>> Reporter: YEAH, IF YOU WANT
TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A SAFETY
NET, FINANCIAL EXPERTS THAT WE
SPOKE TO SAID THAT YOU SHOULD
INVEST IN GOOD LIFE INSURANCE OR
DISABILITY INSURANCE THAT'S
UNDERWRITTEN.
SO YOU'RE ASKED THINGS LIKE YOUR
GENDER AND YOUR AGE AND THE TYPE
OF WORK THAT YOU DO, ETC.
AND THEN ALSO THEY SUGGEST THAT
YOU CREATE AN EMERGENCY FUND IF
YOU'RE ABLE TO, A SORT OF A CASH
POOL THAT YOU CAN DIP INTO IF
NEED BE TO PAY OFF YOUR CREDIT
CARD IF YOU LOSE YOUR JOB OR IF
YOU'RE TEMPORARILY SICK.
>> Rosemary: BUT I WOULD
IMAGINE THAT THE BEST ADVICE, AT
LEAST THE ADVICE THAT MY PARENTS
WOULD GIVE ME, JUST DON'T CARRY
A BALANCE ON THAT THING.
>> Reporter: YES, DEFINITELY,
PAY OFF THAT PUPPY EVERY MONTH,
THAT'S THE BEST THING THAT YOU
CAN DO, IF POSSIBLE.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU, ERICA.
I APPRECIATE IT.
A REMINDER THAT ERICA AND HER
TEAM GET THEIR STORIES FROM YOU,
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO "GO
PUBLIC" EMAIL US AT
GOPUBLIC@CBC.CA.
>>> UP NEXT, A DEBATE ABOUT
STATUES OF SIR JOHN A.
MacDONALD AND SOME OF THE
PEOPLE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
>> IT WAS SOME VERY HURTFUL
MESSAGES, DEATH THREATS THAT
WERE LEFT ON THE TELEPHONE.
>> Reporter: YOU GOT DEATH
THREATS?
>> YEAH.
>> Reporter: WHAT WOULD THEY
SAY?
>> YOU WANT TO WATCH YOUR BACK,
YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING
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>>> Rosemary: SIR JOHN A.
MacDONALD IS CALLED THE FATHER
OF CONFEDERATION BUT MANY
CANADIANS FEEL THAT HE SHOULD BE
SCORNED FOR POLICIE POLICIES THAT
PROFOUNDLY HURT INDIGENOUS
PEOPLES.
LAST YEAR THIS MONTRÉAL STATEUE
WAS PAINTED BLOOD RED AND IT'S
HAPPENED AGAIN THIS YEAR.
OTHER TRIBUTES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY HAVE BEEN CALLED INTO
QUESTION.
IN AUGUST VICTORIA TOOK THE
UNPRECEDENTED STEP OF REMOVING
THAT CITY'S PUBLIC MacDONALD
STATUE.
WHILE SOME APPLAUDED AND OTHERS
OBJECTED.
MORE THAN 200 YEARS AFTER HIS
BIRTH, SIR JOHN A. STIRS
PASSIONATE REACTIONS IN THIS
COUNTRY.
CBC'S NICK PURDON SOUGHT TO FIND
OUT HOW THIS POLARIZING FIGURE
FROM HISTORY CAN FIT INTO
CANADA'S FUTURE.
>> JOHN A.!
JOHN A.!
>> Reporter: ARE YOU WONDERING
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT?
>> I WANTED TO CONFRONT YOU!
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE
INDIAN RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS.
>> Reporter: THINK OF THIS AS
AN HISTORIC SHOWDOWN.
IN THE CORN WE HAVE LOUIS RIEL,
A HERO FOR THE REBELLION AGAINST
THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT.
>> THE WORLD TURNS WITHOUT US.
>> Rosemary: I>> Reporter: IN THE OTHER
CORNER SIR JOHN A. MacDONALD,
AND THE ARCHITECT OF CANADA'S
RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS.
>> AFTER YOU HAD ME KILLED...
>> Reporter: IT'S WORTH
MENTIONING THAT SIR JOHN A. HAD
RIEL EXECUTED JUST STEPS AWAY
FROM THIS EXACT SPOT IN REGINA.
HENCE THE NOOSE AND THE HOOD.
THAT IS MÉTIS ARTIST AND
UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR DAVID
GARNEAU.
>> THIS STATUE ALWAYS ARRESTS ME
AND COMES AS A SHOCK BECAUSE
THERE ISN'T ANOTHER ONE LIKE IT
IN THE PROVINCE.
WHY WOULD CITIZENS DECIDE TO PUT
JOHN A. MacDONALD STATUE HERE
IN THE PLACE WHERE RIEL WAS
HUNG?
THAT SHOCKS ME.
IT'S A PROVOCATION.
>> Reporter: WHAT IS THE
PROVOCATION?
>> THE PROVOCATION IS TO REMIND
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THAT, SHUT UP,
REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
LAST GUY WHO STOOD UP?
SO I THINK THAT IT'S
DELIBERATELY THERE TO REMIND
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AN IN THE REGINA
AREA ABOUT JOHN A. AND LOUIS
RIEL.
>> Reporter: GARNEAU SAYS THAT
HE'S COMPELLED TO CONFRONT SIR
JOHN A. BECAUSE HIS
GREAT-GREAT-GRANDFATHER WAS PART
OF THE MÉTIS RESISTANCE.
>> HE WAS ARREST AND THE PUT IN
JAIL FOR SIX MONTHS AND
THREATENED WITH HANGING.
SO I GREW UP WITH THAT IDEA THAT
THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
AND IT LED TO WHAT I CALL THE
GREAT SILENCE.
YOU KNOW, MÉTIS PEOPLE JUST WENT
UNDERGROUND AT THAT POINT TO
ASSIMILATE.
>> Reporter: THINGS WERE QUIET
FOR SIR JOHN A. TOO, THAT IS,
UNTIL PRETTY RECENTLY.
IT USED TO BE THAT SIR JOHN A.
MacDONALD WAS JUST THE FATHER
OF THE COUNTRY.
THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL.
NOBODY REALLY QUESTIONED HIS
LEGACY.
WHICH IS ACTUALLY A LOT MORE
COMPLICATED.
SIR JOHN A. STARTED THE
RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL SYSTEM, FOR
EXAMPLE, SO HE CAN BE SEEN AS A
NATION BUILDER BUT ALSO AS A
RACIST.
AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE
ON BOTH SIDES.
SO THE QUESTION IS HOW SHOULD WE
REMEMBER HIM?
IN KINGSTON, ONTARIO, WHERE SIR
JOHN A. GREW UP AND SPENT MOST
OF HIS LIFE IT'S LIKE THIS --
HE'S UP THERE -- WAY UP THERE --
IN A PLACE OF HONOUR.
UNTIL RECENTLY A CROWD GATHERED
HERE ON HIS BIRTHDAY EVERY YEAR
TO TOAST HIM.
WARREN EVERETT WHO HAS BEEN PART
OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY NEVER
MISSED A GATHERING.
IS HE SOMEONE THAT YOU'D LOVE TO
MEET?
>> OH, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A
DRINK WITH HIM BUT I DON'T THINK
THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT
NOW.
HE IS THE FATHER OF
CONFEDERATION AND IT WAS HIS
DRIVE AND AMBITION AND VIGOROUS
APPROACH TO THIS THAT STOPPED
THIS FROM BEING A COLONY AND
BECAME A DOMINION.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE WOULD BE
IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR HIM.
>> Reporter: WARREN
UNDERSTANDS THAT SIR JOHN A.'S
POLICIES TOWARDS INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE HAD SERIOUS PROBLEMS BUT
HE ALSO INSISTS --
>> HE SHOULDN'T BE THE LIGHTNING
ROD BECAUSE SO IF HE IS AND SO
IS LAURIER AND BENNETT AND UP TO
PEARSON.
WHILE THEY MAY NOT HAVE STARTED
IT THEY CERTAINLY DIDN'T STOP
IT.
>> Reporter: SO YOU ARE
WORRIED THAT IF IT STARTS WITH
MacDONALD WHERE DOES IT END?
>> YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
I THINK THAT IF THIS STATUE CAME
DOWN YOU JUST START TO ERODE THE
LEGACY AND THE HERITAGE OF THE
COUNTRY.
>> Reporter: THERE YOU HAVE
IT, MacDONALD'S FANS WANT TO
KEEP HONOURING HIM.
THE OTHER SIDE WANTS HIM GONE.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT THIS IS
JUST SOME ABSTRACT DEBATE THAT
DOESN'T AFFECT REAL PEOPLE MEET
PAUL FORTIER.
PAUL OWN THIS IS PUB IN
KINGSTON.
IT USED TO BE NAMED AFTER SIR
JOHN A. MacDONALD.
AND THEN PROTESTERS ARRIVED.
>> SO THEY HAD SIR JOHN A. SORT
OF HANGING ON A STICK WITH A
NOOSE AROUND HIS NECK.
AND THEY DIDN'T BURN IT HERE BUT
THEY TOOK IT IN THE PARK AND SET
THAT ON FIRE.
>> Reporter: THEY WERE AFRAID
FOR THE BAR AND FOR THEMSELVES.
THEY HEARD PROTESTERS DENOUNCING
THE WAY THAT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE
WERE TREATED BY SIR JOHN.
>> THEY CAME AND THEY CHANTED
AND THEY YELLED AT THE CUSTOMERS
WHO WERE COMING IN AND OUT OF
THE PUB.
>> Reporter: WHAT DID THEY
YELL?
>> OH, THINGS LIKE YOU'RE
SUPPORTING A COLONIAL BUSINESS.
>> Reporter: PAUL THOUGHT THAT
THE BEST THING TO DO WAS TO
LISTEN TO THE PROTESTERS.
SO HE CHANGED THE NAME OF HIS
PUB FROM SIR JOHN'S PUBLIC HOUSE
TO JUST "THE PUBLIC HOUSE."
BUT THAT WASN'T THE END OF IT.
AFTER THAT THE SUPPORTERS OF SIR
JOHN A. WERE AN ANGRY.
>> PEOPLE WERE COMING INTO THE
PUB AND SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T
HAVE DONE THIS AND THAT WE HAD
CAVED TO THE SORT OF
LIBERAL-MINDED INDIVIDUALS.
IT WAS SOME VERY HURTFUL
MESSAGES.
DEATH THREATS THAT WERE LEFT ON
THE TELEPHONE.
>> Reporter: YOU GOT DEATH
THREATS?
>> YEAH.
>> Reporter: WHAT WOULD THEY
SAY?
>> YOU WANT TO WATCH YOUR BACK,
YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE
GONE.
>> Reporter: DEATH THREATS?
HOW IS IT THAT PEOPLE ARE SO
PASSIONATE ABOUT SIR JOHN A.
MacDONALD THAT THEY'LL DO
THINGS LIKE THAT?
WELL, LET'S FIND OUT.
BACK IN REGINA I MEET PATRICK
JOHNSON.
AND PATRICK IS UP ON CRIMINAL
MISCHIEF CHARGES FOR SOME OF THE
THINGS HE'S DONE TO SIR JOHN A.
>> I BROUGHT THE SLEDGEHAMMER IN
AND I GAVE IT THREE WHACKS ON
THIS SIDE AND THREE WHACKS ON
THE OTHER AND NOTHING REALLY
MOVED.
IT WAS JUST LIKE A BIG DIN, LIKE
A BELL RINGING.
>> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT, IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT PATRICK
BROUGHT A SLEDGEHAMMER DOWN HERE
AND TRIED TO KIL DESTROY THE STATUE.
>> IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I
NEEDED TO DO.
>> Reporter: PATRICK DOESN'T
LIKE THE WAY THAT INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE ARE TREATED TODAY.
>> FOR ME IT'S APPALLING THAT WE
CELEBRATE OUR COUNTRY, CANADA,
AS BEING CIVILIZED AND YET WE
LET A CERTAIN PORTION OF OUR
PEOPLE LIVE IN POVERTY, WITHOUT
CLEAN DRINKING WATER AND WITHOUT
ADEQUATE HOUSING AND EDUCATION.
>> Reporter: THEN AS WE'RE
TALKING THE DEBATE OVER SIR JOHN
ERUPTS AND A MAN RIDES BY AND
RECOGNIZES PATRICK AND YELLS
THAT HE'S A VANDAL.
SO YOU FELT STRONGLY ENOUGH THAT
WE WERE TALKING TO PATRICK AND
YOU RODE BY AND YELLED THAT OUT.
>> YEP.
>> Reporter: IS THERE ANYTHING
THAT YOU WANT TO SAY TO PATRICK?
>> I JUST DISAGREE WITH HIS
PROTESTS.
I AM REALLY NOT INTO VANDALISM
AND I JUST SAW THAT AS VAPPED
VANDALISM.
IT'S NOT PERSONAL BUT I THANK
IT'S JUVENILE AND I DON'T THINK
THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT
THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO HAVE
THOSE DEBATES.
>> YOU KNOW, REALLY, THE STATUE
IS THE SURFACE OF IT.
AND I'M TRYING TO BRING LIGHT --
>> THEN WHY WOULD YOU ARGUE THAT
IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOWN?
>> I FEEL THAT IT'S A THREAT TO
PEOPLE WHO DO NOT SUPPORT THIS
IN A PUBLIC PLACE.
>> I DON'T THINK --
>> BUT YOU KNOW IT'S OKAY THAT
YOU DON'T BECAUSE YOU'RE FROM A
WHITE SOCIETY AND YOU'RE NOT
IMAGINING WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE
FIRST NATIONS, SIR.
>> BUT YOU'RE ALSO ASSUMING THAT
I'M INCAPABLE OF HAVING EMPATHY
FOR THESE PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: LISTENING TO THE
ARGUMENT I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER
HOW IS IT THAT SIR JOHN A.
MacDONALD HAS BECOME THE MOST
CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE IN THE
COUNTRY?
AND WHAT ARE WE REALLY ARGUING
ABOUT WHEN WE ARGUE ABOUT IT?
THOSE SOUND LIKE QUESTIONS FOR A
HISTORIAN.
MEET JIM DASHIER.
>> SIR JOHN A. IS THE FATHER OF
CANADA.
HAVING DONE 30 YEARS OF RESEARCH
INTO INDIGENOUS HISTORY AND THE
RELATIONSHIP TO INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE AND THE CANADIAN STATE
HE'S ALSO THE FATHER OF THE
DYSFUNCTIONAL COUNTRY THAT WE
LIVE IN TODAY.
HIS POLICIES HAVE A DIRECT
REVERBERATION INTO THE PRESENT.
>> Reporter: JIM SEES A
WARNING IN THE DEBATE OVER THE
STATUE.
>> SO IF WE CAN'T HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STATUE,
ABOUT THE LEGACY OF
MacDONALD'S POLICIES, WE'RE
NOT READY TO DEAL WITH JUSTICE
ISSUES AND TRANSFER OF LAND AND
WEALTH AND EDUCATION AND HEALTH.
THOSE THINGS ARE REAL AND THEY
NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO IF, LIKE, IF WE CAN'T DEAL
WITH THE STATUE IN A PARK IN,
YOU KNOW, IN A SPIRIT OF
UNDERSTANDING, I'M NOT REALLY
SEEING RECONCILIATION, YOU KNOW,
IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
>> Reporter: MAYBE HE IS
RIGHT.
>> THEY DON'T WANT YOU HERE!
>> Reporter: IT IS TEMPTING TO
DISMISS THE CONFLICT OVER THE
STATUE AS BEING ABOUT THE PAST.
BUT MAYBE IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT
THE FUTURE AND WHERE CANADA IS
HEADED.
>> JUST DOWN THE ROAD IS A
RETIREMENT HOME.
FOR ME THAT STATUE IS LIKE A
MESSAGE FROM THE PAST DELIVERED
TO THE PRESENT AND ON TO THE
FUTURE AND IT'S IN A POSITION OF
AN OLD WILL.
AND WE CAN DECIDE TO ACCEPT OR
REJECT IT, AS WE WOULD ANYTHING.
>> LET'S GO.
LET'S GO!
>> Reporter: DAVID GARNEAU
DOESN'T WANT TO DESTROY SIR JOHN
A.'S STATUE, HE WANTS TO RETIRE
IT.
HE WANTS IT SET UP IN A MUSEUM
SO THAT SIR JOHN IS REMEMBERED
BUT FOR THE GOOD THINGS HE DID
AND THE BAD.
[Applause]
NICK PURDON, CBC NEWS, REGINA.
>> Rosemary: UP NEXT ON "THE
NATIONAL"... THE GRASSROOTS
MOVEMENT TO SAVE SOME OF
CANADA'S BIGGEST AND OLDEST
TREES USING SOCIAL MEDIA.
SEVEN YEARS AGO YOU WERE DOING,
CLIMBING THROUGH THE TREES LIKE
WE DID EARLIER HERE?
>> YES.
AND IT WAS AN INTACT OLD GROWTH
FOREST, SOME OF THE MOST
SPECTACULAR THAT EXISTED
ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
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>> Rosemary: HERE ARE SOME OF
THE OTHER STORIES THAT WE'RE
FOLLOWING ON "THE NATIONAL" THIS
WEEK...
>>> A PAROLE HEARING IS SET FOR
WEDNESDAY FOR MARCO RUSSO WHO
KILLED THREE YOUNG CHILDREN AND
THEIR GRANDFATHER WHILE DRIVING
DRUNK.
IN THE SPRING OF 2016 HE WAS
SENTENCED TO 10 YEARS IN PRISON.
RUSSO IS NOW ELIGIBLE FOR DAY
PAROLE BUT HE CAN CHOOSE TO WAVE
OR TO POSTPONE THE HEARING.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: IT IS OUR HOPE THAT
THIS LONG OVERDUE APOLOGY WILL
BRING AWARENESS TO OUR FAILINGS
AS WE VOW TO NEVER LET HISTORY
REPEAT ITSELF.
>> Rosemary: ON WEDNESDAY THE
PRIME MINISTER WILL MAKE ANOTHER
FORMAL APOLOGY INSIDE OF THE
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
THIS TIME THOUGH FOR CANADA'S
DECISION TO TURN AWAY A
PASSENGER SHIP FULL OF JEWISH
REFUGEES FLEEING NAZI GERMANY IN
1939.
THERE WERE 907 PEOPLE ON BOARD
THE M.S. ST. LOUIS WHEN IT WAS
FORCED TO RETURN TO EUROPE.
MORE THAN A QUARTER OF THOSE
PEOPLE ENDED UP DYING IN THE
HOLOCAUST.
(*)
>>> AND, OF COURSE, SUNDAY IS
REMEMBRANCE DAY.
WE'LL HAVE LIVE COVERAGE OF THE
CEREMONY AT THE NATIONAL WAR
MEMORIAL HERE IN OTTAWA.
I ALSO RECENTLY SAT DOWN WITH
THIS YEAR'S SILVER CROSS MEDAL
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IT'S A
MOTHER WHO LOST A CHILD TO
SUICIDE.
ANITA'S SON TOOK HIS OWN LIFE
THREE MONTHS AFTER RETURNING
FROM AFGHANISTAN.
>> SINCE THOMAS' DEATH, I ALSO
ESPECIALLY THINK OF THE SOLDIERS
WHO HAVE COME HOME WITH WOUNDS
THAT WE CAN'T SEE AND THAT THEY
DEAL WITH EVERY DAY.
AND FOR THE INJURED, FOR THE
ONES WHO HAVE BEEN DISPLACED
FROM THE ONLY LIFE THEY'VE KNOWN
KNOWN.
FOR THE STRUGGLES THAT THEY
FACE.
>> Rosemary: SHE FOUGHT HARD
TO MAKE SURE THAT HER SON
RECEIVED FULL MILITARY HONOURS
AFTER HIS DEATH.
YOU CAN SEE MORE OF OUR
CONVERSATION ON SUNDAY ON "THE
NATIONAL."
>>> BRITISH COLUMBIA'S VANCOUVER
ISLAND IS HOME TO SOME OF THE
WORLD'S MOST ANCIENT TEMPERATE
RAINFOREST.
MANY OF THESE TREES ARE MORE
THAN A THOUSAND YEARS OLD AND
THAT'S WHY SOME
ENVIRONMENTALISTS HAVE CALLED ON
THE B.C. GOVERNMENT TO BAN OLD
GROWTH LOGGING OF THE REMAINING
FOREST.
BUT AS RENÉE FILIPPONE FOUND
OUT, DECIDING HOW TO PROTECT
THIS ECOSYSTEM ISN'T CLEAR CUT.
>> WHEN YOU COME IN...
>> Reporter: ARMED WITH A
CAMERA, THE MISSION IS TO TRACK
DOWN GIANTS.
>> THE HUNT IS ON!
THAT ONE IS PRETTY BIG.
>> Reporter: IN THIS NEARLY
UNTOUCHED FOREST ON VANCOUVER
ISLAND.
>> I CAN ALREADY SEE ANOTHER
BIGIE OVER HERE.
>> Reporter: KEN WU AND T.J.
WATT ARE OUR GUIDES IN SEARCH OF
BIG TREES.
AFTER ONLY A COUPLE MINUTES
TREKKING IN THE WOODS...
>> THIS IS ABOUT SIX FEET WIDE.
>> Reporter: WE FIND THIS ONE.
>> PRETTY AMAZING FOR A WESTERN
HECHEMLOCK.
>> THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL TREE.
>> Reporter: THESE WON'T BREAK
ANY RECORDS BUT THEY'RE STILL
SOME OF CANADA'S BIGGEST AND
MOST THREATENED TREES.
>> THESE GIANTS HERE HAVE BEEN
THE GREEN GOLD OF THE OLD GROWTH
LOGGING INDUSTRY.
THEY HAVE PROPPED UP THE
INDUSTRY FOR A COUPLE DECADES
NOW BUT THEY'RE COMING TO AN
END.
23 FEET AND 3-INCHES.
>> Reporter: FOR WU IT'S NOT
JUST ABOUT THE GIANT TREES BUT
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY
SUPPORT IN HERE.
>> THIS IS CERTAINLY AN AMAZING
LOOKING ORGANISM.
>> Reporter: LIKE THIS CORAL
ORGANISM.
IS THAT A DOUGLAS FIR?
AT 19, WU WAS PART OF THE WAR IN
THE WOODS TO END LOGGING IN
CLAPWOOD SOUND.
25 YEARS ON HE'S STILL FIGHTING
HERE, BUT HIS STRATEGY HAS
CHANGED.
>> WE SPEND A LOT MORE TIME
PROTESTING THEN, WHICH NEEDS TO
BE DONE AS WELL, BUT TODAY WE
SPEND MORE TIME HIGHLIGHTING THE
BEAUTY OF THESE PLACES.
>> Reporter: THEY DO IT BY
CAPTURING IMAGES, SHOWCASING THE
BEAUTY OF THE FORESTS AND
DOCUMENTING THEIR DEMISE.
THE PICTURES AND VIDEO ARE
SHARED ON SOCIAL MEDIA, TRYING
TO SHAME THE GOVERNMENT INTO
ENDING OLD GROWTH LOGGING.
SEVEN YEARS AGO YOU WERE
DOING -- CLIMBING THROUGH THE
TREES LIKE WE DID EARLIER HERE?
>> YES.
AND IT WAS AN INTACT OLD GROWTH
FOREST, SOME OF THE MOST
SPECTACULAR THAT EXISTED
ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
IT'S DEVASTATION, BUT
DEVASTATION THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO
HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S A SECOND
GROWTH ALTERNATIVE.
>> Reporter: MOST OF THE
FORESTS ARE SECOND GROWTH,
LOGGED AND THEN REPLANTED AFTER
50 YEARS THEY CAN BE CUT AGAIN.
THE MARKS OF THE INDUSTRY ARE
CLEAR ON VANCOUVER ISLAND AND
FOR WU IT'S UNACCEPTABLE.
>> THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DINE
OUR THINKING, INCLUDING BY THIS
GOVERNMENT AT THIS POINT IN
TIME.
BUT IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE IN THE
END, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO
LOSE THESE ANCIENT ECOSYSTEMS.
>> SO YOU CAN SEE THE DARK GREEN
THAT'S ALL RESERVE, THAT'S NEVER
GOING TO BE TOUCHED.
>> Reporter: THE LOGGER
ASSOCIATION OF B.C. TOOK US UP
IN THEIR HELICOPTER AND POINTING
OUT WHICH AREAS ARE ALREADY
PROTECTED.
>> THAT'S A FIR.
>> Reporter: THAT'S HUGE.
>> YEAH.
>> Reporter: ZOLTAN SCHAFFER
SAYS THEY FOLLOW THE PROVINCE'S
LEAD TO DETERMINE WHAT'S ON THE
CHOPPING BLOCK.
THAT MEANS THAT THESE LOGS EQUAL
BIG MONEY WORTH TWICE AS MUCH AS
SECOND GROWTH WOOD, PROFIT THAT
SUPPORTS THOUSANDS OF JOBS ON
THE ISLAND.
>> I THINK THAT THERE IS A
BALANCE AND I THINK THAT IT'S
BEING DONE.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
SATISFY EVERYBODY, YOU NEVER
ARE.
BUT I THINK THAT THE LOGGERS DO
CARE, THE ONES THAT I HAVE DEALT
WITH AND WORKED WITH, WE ALL TRY
TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
>> THIS IS OLD GROWTH FIBRE THAT
YOU'RE LOOKING AT...
>> Reporter: FORESTRY IS IN
HIS BLOOD.
>> WE'RE PLANTING RED CEDAR
RIGHT NOW...
>> Reporter: HE TOOK OVER THIS
MILL FROM HIS FATHER AND WORRIES
THAT IT COULD CLOSE IF OLD
GROWTH LOGGING CAME TO A
GRINDING HALT.
>> WELL, THIS PLACE WOULD
PROBABLY SHUT DOWN NEXT WEEK,
HOW'S THAT?
REALLY WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO
THE POINT WHERE WE SEE, YOU
KNOW, THERE WILL BE A DAY THAT
IT WILL BE LESS AND LESS.
>> Reporter: TRANSITIONING TO
SECOND GROWTH MEANS RETOOLING
THIS MILL THAT.
WILL COST A LOT OF MONEY AND
TAKE TIME.
AND FOR T.J. WATT TIME IS
RUNNING OUT.
>> ONCE I SAW THIS I KNEW THAT
IT WAS TRULY A SPECIAL PLACE.
>> Reporter: THIS PROTECTED
FOREST WAS CLEVERLY NAMED AVATAR
GROVE, YES, AFTER THE
BLOCKBUSTER MOVIE.
WATT'S PHOTOS HELPED TO SAVE IT.
>> AVATAR GROVE IS A PERFECT
EXAMPLE OF HOW POSITIVE CHANGE
IS POSSIBLE.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR
PLACES TO VISIT...
>> Reporter: HE WANTS MORE
PLACES LIKE THIS PROTECTED
ACROSS THE ISLAND.
>> DEFINITELY FEEL THAT WE'RE IN
A RACE WITH THE LOGGING
COMPANIES.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE SAME THING
THAT THEY ARE BUT THEY HAVE WAY
MORE PEOPLE EMPLOYED AND BETTER
TECHNOLOGY.
BUT WE'RE OUT THERE TO CAPTURE
AND DOCUMENT THE FOREST BEFORE
IT'S TOO LATE.
>> Reporter: FOR NOW IT'S A
BATTLE TO FRAME THESE FORESTS
AND TO DEFINE THEIR VALUE I AND
THE FUTURE OF LOGGING HERE.
RENÉE FILIPPONE, CBC NEWS, PORT
RENFREW, B.C.
>> Rosemary: NEXT ON "THE
NATIONAL," AN ARTIST ASKS
NEWFOUNDLANDERS TO LEND THEIR
FACES TO COMMEMORATE THOSE WHO
FOUGHT IN THE FIRST WORLD WAR.
>> THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT
INDIVIDUALS AND PORTRAITS OF THE
DESCENDANTS THAT CAME TO THE
FOUNDRY AND HAD THEIR LIKENESS
CAST IN BRONZE.
IN ESSENCE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS
THEY'RE STANDING IN FOR THEIR
LOVED ONE OR THEIR DESCENDANT
THAT FOUGHT IN THE FIRST WORLD
WAR.
>> Emily>> Rosemary: THERE'S FAMILIAR
FACE THERE IS TOO AND THAT'S
COMING UP IN OUR "MOMENT OF THE
DAY."
BUT FIRST, IN CASE YOU MISSED
IT...
>> ISN'T IT IRONIC THAT SOMEBODY
WHO IS YELLING IN THE AMBULANCE
AND IN THE HOSPITAL "I WANT TO
KILL ALL THE JEWS" IS TAKEN CARE
OF BY A JEWISH NURSE?
>> Rosemary: IT WAS A STORY OF
COMPASSION AND PROFESSIONALISM
THAT RESONATED WITH SO MANY
AFTER THE DEADLY SHOOTING
RAMPAGE AT A PITTSBURGH
SYNAGOGUE.
NOW THAT NURSE HAS BROKEN HIS
SILENCE IN A HEARTFELT POST ON
FACEBOOK.
"I AM THE JEWISH NURSE.
YES, THAT JEWISH NURSE."
HE WROTE.
"I'M SURE THAT HE HAD NO IDEA
THAT I WAS JEWISH.
HE POINTS OUT THAT HIS FATHER
WAS A RABBI AND HE EXPERIENCED
ANTI-SEMITISM A LOT AS A KID.
"THE GUNMAN THANKED ME FOR
SAVING HIM, FOR SHOWING HIM
KINDNESS AND FOR TREATING HIM
THE SAME WAY I TREAT EVERY OTHER
PATIENT."
MAHLER DIDN'T SAY A WORD ABOUT
HIS RELIGION AND INSTEAD "I
WANTED HIM TO FEEL COMPASS.
I CHOSE TO SHOW HIM EMPATHY.
I FELT THAT THE BEST WAY TO
HONOUR HIS VICTIMS FOR A JEW TO
PROVE HIM WRONG.
LOVE, THAT'S WHY I DID IT.
LOVE AS AN ACTION IS MORE
POWERFUL THAN WORDS AND LOVE IN
THE FACE OF EVIL GIVES OTHERS
HOPE.
IF MY ACTIONS MEAN ANYTHIN
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>> Rosemary: A NEWFOUNDLAND
ARTIST IS USING IMAGES OF THE
LIVING TO COMMEMORATE THE DEAD.
MORGAN MCDONALD CAST THE FACES
OF 100 DESCENDANTS OF MEN WHO
FOUGHT IN THE FIRST WORLD WAR IN
BRONZE.
HE THEN HUNG THEM IN AN OVAL
FRAME, REMINISCENT OF THE
PICTURE FRAMES THAT HELD IMAGES
OF THOSE SAME MEN AS THEY WENT
OFF TO WAR.
HIS SCRIPTURUR SCULPTURE WAS UNVEILED TODA Y
IN ST. JOHN'S AND THAT IS OUR
"MOMENT" TODAY.
>> WE ARE LOOKING AT A HUNDRED
PORTRAITS OF DESCENDANTS OF
SOLDIERS AND SAILORS OF THE
FIRST WORLD WAR.
IN ESSENCE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS
THEY'RE STANDING IN FOR THEIR
LOVED ONE OR THEIR DESCENDANT
THAT FOUGHT IN THE FIRST WORLD
WAR.
IT WAS VERY EASY TO FIND
VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE THESE STORIES
EXIST AND THEY'RE OUT THERE IN
THE COMMUNITY.
>> IT WAS JUST A COUPLE YEARS
AGO THAT I REALISED THAT I HAD A
GREAT UNCLE J.J. TOBIN, WHO DIED
OVERSEAS.
A MEMBER OF THE NEWFOUNDLAND
REGIMENT IN THE FIRST WORLD WAR.
AND SO IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME
TO BE ONE OF THE FACES THAT GOT
TO REPRESENT HIM.
>> FOR ME IT'S A MEMORY OF MY
GREAT UNCLE GORDON BASTO WHO
DIED IN WORLD WAR I.
AND I TOOK PART IN HAVING THE
FACE MASK DONE AND PURELY FOR
THE COMMEMORATION FOR GORDON.
>> IN THIS YOU SEE THE OVAL
FRAME AND THAT IS HOW WE WOULD
SEE THE PICTURES OF OUR
ANCESTORS ON THE WALL OFTENTIMES
COVERED UNDER A BLANKET OF DUST
AND FORGOTTEN.
SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO SEE
ALL OF THESE PEOPLE COMING
FORWARD.
THESE ARE THE FACES OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE LOST SOME TIME AGO,
REPRESENTED BY THE FACES OF
THOSE STILL LIVING AND HOPING TO
TELL THE STORY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE
THE JUDGE TO BE BORN.
>> Rosemary: OF COURSE THIS
REMEMBRANCE DAY MARKS THE
100th ANNIVERSARY SINCE THE
END OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR.
AND SO MANY NEWFOUNDLANDERS WERE
SACRIFICED IN THAT WAR AT
BEAUMONT AND NOW HUNDREDS WERE
DEAD AND HUNDREDS MORE INJURED.
>>> THAT'S "THE NATIONAL" FOR
NOVEMBER 4th.
GOODNIGHT, THANK YOU FOR
WATCHING.
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